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| 18 Nov 09, 8:43 PM dirtylittlecunt UK(W), 5 yrs  |
thanks here's the quote that got me thinking about it on another thread: "In whatever direction a ship moves the flow of water it cuts will always be noticeable ahead of it. . . When the ship moves in one direction there is one and the same wave ahead of it, when it turns frequently the wave ahead of it also turns frequently. But wherever it may turn there always will be the wave anticipating its movement. Whatever happens, it appears that just that event was foreseen and decreed. Wherever the ship may go, the rush of water which neither directs nor increases its movement foams ahead of it, and at a distance seems not merely to move of itself but to govern the ship's movement also" -Tolstoy check out www.thenewtopical.com! Edited 18 Nov 09, 9:04 PM by dirtylittlecunt | |||
| 18 Nov 09, 8:44 PM MadameCaramel  UK(E), 4 yrs £   |
So well explained....Fantastic. MC xxxx
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| 18 Nov 09, 8:50 PM dirtylittlecunt UK(W), 5 yrs |
so if a group of people were stranded in the desert and there was only one sparsely distributed sort of edible vegetation, and person x inspired a,b,c,d et al to spend their time gathering the food for x to eat, while e,f,g,h,i,j and k quietly starved, that would be good leadership? check out www.thenewtopical.com! Edited 18 Nov 09, 8:51 PM by dirtylittlecunt | |||
| 18 Nov 09, 8:52 PM Tanos UK(M), 14 yrs   |
I don't understand this Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk Edited 18 Nov 09, 8:54 PM by Tanos | |||
| 18 Nov 09, 8:57 PM dirtylittlecunt UK(W), 5 yrs |
well, take out the democratic, and recast "good at taking advice" as "good at giving stated needs due consideration" and i don't think you're so far from Dominance... leading by example, being good at listening and using subordinates well and to the best of their abilities are highly desirable traits as far as i'm concerned... but perhaps not 'average' check out www.thenewtopical.com! | |||
| 18 Nov 09, 9:00 PM dirtylittlecunt UK(W), 5 yrs |
hmm i don't know. good point though. perhaps when the ship first starts to move there is a small time delay between the water building up sufficient momentum to make a wave ahead of it and the hull pushing, but thereafter wouldn't they move in sync? it's not the water rubbing up against the hull which rolls out to make the wave after all, but the water it pushes up and displaces a few inches in front. (erm actually, upon googling, i'm not entirely convinced of that. can't find any proper sources either way though) perhaps it's not ahead in time, but in distance, that Tolstoy was referring to.
or something... check out www.thenewtopical.com! Edited 18 Nov 09, 9:55 PM by dirtylittlecunt | |||
| 18 Nov 09, 9:04 PM Jahc99 UK, 5 yrs |
A ship moves in response to the momentum of the wave that stikes it. The wave has the energy in it, the ship is the object that gets moved. | |||
| 18 Nov 09, 9:05 PM dirtylittlecunt UK(W), 5 yrs |
sorry, Tanos was responding to a quote i posted then edited out. i've put it back now. the wave in question is specifically a bow-wave. the sort that forms immediately in front of the ship. check out www.thenewtopical.com! | |||
| 18 Nov 09, 9:10 PM Jahc99 UK, 5 yrs |
That'll be dilectics then, or something like that! | |||
| 18 Nov 09, 9:22 PM Sirebel UK, 5 yrs   |
I wish I could answer this one coherently but I'll give it my best shot but for my money I think Jahc hit it on the head. In order to be an effective leader you need to convince people to follow. You can be as dominanting as you like but if you can't convince someone to submit then it's not much use is it. I don't think you need to be dominant to be a leader, some leaders do it differently, but it helps to be a leader to dominant. I vote this the best thread idea of the year. I don't know what's right and what's real any more |
Each move of the ship always precedes, in time, the wave it produces. There is always a period when the ship has started moving but the wave hasn't had time to build up.
