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| 10 Nov 09, 6:39 PM insubstantial UK, 4 yrs   |
The O&P Manifesto leaves no room for any misunderstanding as regards the M/s "relationship" whereas D/s is open to each one's view on how to conduct themselves with no protocols or rituals necessary.As has been mentioned on IC(which seems to be mainly D/s orientated) subs offer their submission to their Dom/mme as some sort of favour whereas a slave in a M/s role knowingly gives their Master/Mistress complete and utter control of their being to do with as seen fit by Them. | ||
| 10 Nov 09, 9:29 PM socair UK, 6 yrs |
Thank you for your post Polly. You've explained brilliantly some elements I've been grappling with lately.
Until more formal (and that's maybe not the correct word!) D/s developed into an interest I hadn't realised how much opposition there is towards it. Lately it's been made very clear "Nothing so conclusively proves a man's ability to lead others as what he does from day to day to lead himself". | ||
| 11 Nov 09, 4:32 AM cinder UK(CR), 6 yrs |
Ok....I was wondering what people think possession is to them? I often see the words on this site "I am owned by X". I see it as a feeling more than just a status. It's something that happens over time and is personally something I have been working towards for six years. Likewise for him it's not something that is said lightly (akin to "I Love You" I suppose) and is a stage in a relationship, a milestone if you like. Hence the reason my earlier q.... Is possession something that is started from day one for others and do they see it differently? N x | ||
| 11 Nov 09, 1:00 PM De_Luxe UK, 5 yrs |
Hi N, We began "as if" and began to work towards it. I think it has to do with his sense of identity and internal knowledge (it does for me)not just love. He currently has an online nic "owned by.." which is temporary. I'll have him answer your q today sometime. | ||
| 11 Nov 09, 4:37 PM cinder UK(CR), 6 yrs |
Cheers redcat. I could relate to that a lot...esp the awakening one morning bit. I had a bit of a eureka moment myself a couple of years ago. N x | ||
| 11 Nov 09, 11:16 PM Owned_by_De_Luxe UK(SA), 4 yrs |
N, Yes, when De_Luxe and I first met, we hit it off very well very quickly, and it became clear that we were looking for similar things out of a relationship. Soon after our first meeting I consented to become her property, but we weren't able to live the life due to geography. However 12 months later, when we finally moved in together, we were at last able to live the O/p life proper. Admittedly, it's been challenging for me to hand over total control at this stage in my life, after so many years of being my own person, but hopefully I'm getting there. I wormed my way into the heart of the crowd / I was shocked to find what was allowed | ||
| 12 Nov 09, 8:53 AM Ms_Valentine UK, 3 yrs |
Prior to Tanos articulating formally in the O&P manifesto concepts of possession, i had always had big problems with traditional understandings of D/s and M/s and paul and I fell between the two stools. Ownership for me is a psychological concept whereas possession is practical, like being in possession of a house, car or book. Practical things make sense to me in ways that psychological ones don't. I am happy to say paul is my possession and is in my possession and even though he actually does not have the right to leave our relationship, I do not think for us the process will be a linear one from possession to ownership. I think we are where we want to be, where we always have been really, just now we have other words which more accurately describe what we are about. The inequality issue is interesting as for a long time, I was trying to fit into mainstream thinking by trying to evade the issue of inequality within our relationship. Then one day about a year ago, paul wrote in a post that he saw me as his superior and after that I felt more comfortable with 'being' his superior. I suppose I felt he had internalised the role and space he occupied and so it was easier for me to be open and honest about it. I have felt no conflict between that understanding and the love relationship we have. I am imbued with the power and authority,something he willingly gave up and it does not feel at all peculiar. It is just how it should be for both of us to achieve maximum happiness and pleasure in life. I find it hard when I read, even on the D/s and M/s IC Board, that inequality in a relationship is still frowned upon, misunderstood unintentionally or deliberately, or disbelieved, as though do not know what our own relationships are all about. This group offers a place where those who can embrace that inequality and love it for knowing it makes our relationships what they are. It feels a bit like coming home. 24/7 subs and slaves can and do live similar lives, it is only the concept of 'ownership' which separates them. |
