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Swine Flu Vaccine.. (30)

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26 Oct 09, 12:51 PM
therealwakka
UK(WF), 5 yrs

No testing has been done on pregnant women,

that says a lot.

26 Oct 09, 1:17 PM
Backdooruk
UK(BA), 12 yrs
therealwakka wrote:
No testing has been done on pregnant women,

Where did you get that idea? NIH (in the states) trialed with pregant women soon after thier first adult trials finished and I suspect the same happened in many other countries.

A new seasonal flu vaccine is formulated every year following pretty much the same methodology and no one kicks up a fuss about that not being tested enough. H1N1 2009 may be potentially more serious than the types of flu the seasonal jab normally covers, but the vaccine construction and testing is identical so there is no reason to be more afraid than you would be over a regular seasonal vaccination.

- Chris

Submission is giving someone the ability to destroy You, but trusting them enough not to.

Edited 26 Oct 09, 1:34 PM by Backdooruk

26 Oct 09, 1:48 PM
Wiley_Kit
UK(PE), 7 yrs

Backdooruk wrote:
therealwakka wrote:
No testing has been done on pregnant women,

Where did you get that idea? NIH (in the states) trialed with pregant women soon after thier first adult trials finished and I suspect the same happened in many other countries.

A new seasonal flu vaccine is formulated every year following pretty much the same methodology and no one kicks up a fuss about that not being tested enough. H1N1 2009 may be potentially more serious than the types of flu the seasonal jab normally covers, but the vaccine construction and testing is identical so there is no reason to be more afraid than you would be over a regular seasonal vaccination.

- Chris

I was told by my doctor that this country has a different vaccine to the states and that the vaccine has not been tried on pregnant women or babies here and the vaccine that the states is using has not been trialed long enough to see what, if any adverse affects there are.

As for the vaccine construction and testing being the same...many of us pregnant women who normally have the flu jab have been advised to not have it until our babies are born.

Ive been told I can have it the next day whilst im still in hospital, but that it is ill advised to have it whilst pregnant.

So you can't blame people for being concerned as there is alot of conflicting info being branded about.

Ive made my decision anyway.

Im not having it.

Was just interested in other peoples decisions.

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26 Oct 09, 1:49 PM
Wiley_Kit
UK(PE), 7 yrs

misswhistle wrote:
I have declined it at work as well, basically because I think the whole thing is a massive overreaction to something which is rarely a serious illness.

We can't vaccinate and insure against everything, and by trying to do so we are creating other health problems for ourselves and for the environment on a wider scale. No doubt it was also tested on animals.

Well yes of course the research involved animals, but then many things do.

I can't believe I've no control
It's all deranged - Bowie
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26 Oct 09, 2:02 PM
tanken
UK(NR), 2 yrs

I got the 'ordinary' flu in 1997 and had a temperature of 105F and it was the worst illness of my adult life so given a choice I would take my chances with the vaccine but probably won't be offered it.

"Red hair and black leather is my favourite colour scheme" - Richard Thompson

26 Oct 09, 2:05 PM
Wiley_Kit
UK(PE), 7 yrs

redgerbil wrote:
I got the 'ordinary' flu in 1997 and had a temperature of 105F and it was the worst illness of my adult life so given a choice I would take my chances with the vaccine but probably won't be offered it.

Yes, but when one has an unborn child to think about, afew more questions start bubbling around inside your head about whats safe and what isnt.

At the moment I currently take nothing except my insulin.

Im not even taking paracetamol.

So why should I suddenly believe that the swine flu vaccine is safe, when so many things arent when you are pregnant.

Like I previously said as well, im normally offered the normal flu jab, but have been told to wait until after my pregnancy to have it now, so that doesnt give you much confidence.

I can't believe I've no control
It's all deranged - Bowie
"Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected our generation, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music."

26 Oct 09, 2:08 PM
therealwakka
UK(WF), 5 yrs

Backdooruk wrote:
therealwakka wrote:
No testing has been done on pregnant women,

Where did you get that idea? NIH (in the states) trialed with pregant women soon after thier first adult trials finished and I suspect the same happened in many other countries.

A new seasonal flu vaccine is formulated every year following pretty much the same methodology and no one kicks up a fuss about that not being tested enough. H1N1 2009 may be potentially more serious than the types of flu the seasonal jab normally covers, but the vaccine construction and testing is identical so there is no reason to be more afraid than you would be over a regular seasonal vaccination.

- Chris

The drug that is to be issued in the UK has had no clinical trials done on pregnant women.

The way they get around it , is by saying other flu vacinces tested by the same methods as this one have had clinical trials on pregnant women.

They key fact though is this particular one in the uk has not.

You can check with medical council

26 Oct 09, 2:09 PM
therealwakka
UK(WF), 5 yrs

Wonky_Donkey wrote:

I was told by my doctor that this country has a different vaccine to the states and that the vaccine has not been tried on pregnant women or babies here and the vaccine that the states is using has not been trialed long enough to see what, if any adverse affects there are.

This is correct.

26 Oct 09, 2:18 PM
Backdooruk
UK(BA), 12 yrs
therealwakka wrote:
You can check with medical council

It seems that you are right. Pregnant women are being offered GlaxoSmithKline's Pandemrix vaccine rather than Baxter's Celvapan because it will produce protection sooner.

I can certainly understand given the relative low level of threat why people would be reluctant to take it, but then I don't really understand why any but the already ill would take the seasonal jab either.

- Chris

Submission is giving someone the ability to destroy You, but trusting them enough not to.

26 Oct 09, 2:24 PM
therealwakka
UK(WF), 5 yrs

End of the day, each person has to way up the risks.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pandemic-flu/pages/...

But with so many gp's and nurses saying they would not, its a tough one.

It could of been handled better

On a personal note.

Originally, I was not going to have it, nor was I going to let my 6 year old have it. But I'm now sat on the fence. Its the risks to my son, that concern me most, however the risks of him not taking it clash for me on a personal level. I'm not a doctor, but am lucky to have access to a number of doctors and senior nurses whom are friends and relatives, I'm still trying to make my mind up.

Edited 26 Oct 09, 2:28 PM by therealwakka

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