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| 11 Oct 09, 1:42 PM Elysium UK(EH), 5 yrs |
Good stuff! I think you hit the nail on the head. PD's don't think they're sex workers, that what they do is somehow "better" than hookers with whips. I consider myself a sex positive person. I'm sure many PD's are too. They have their reasons for denigrating hookers with whips, if only to differentiate what sets them apart and skirt a legal grey area. However, it does annoy me when this results in passive aggressive insults to other sex workers. Surely PD's are in extremely similar situations and are at some of the same risks. A little solidarity would go a long way. Thanks for the reply Miss Kimberley, it's nice to read a level headed sex positive response from a PD. You're so cute when you're frustrated. | |||||||
| 11 Oct 09, 2:27 PM professional_BDSM UK, 2 yrs £ |
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| 11 Oct 09, 3:04 PM MistressJuliaPink UK(M), 7 yrs £ |
Interesting topic. As an ex sex-worker myself I have seen how all levels of the sex industry work. There is quite a substantial client base that are on the cusp - visiting both massage parlours/escorts and Pro Dommes as the mood (or their finances or their penis) take them. You'll also find that these days it is far more common for parlours to have a 'Dungeon' room and a lot of men that start off in those eventually want more and drift up to the (more expensive)world of Pro-Domming. It is a good, if basic, introduction. The mainstreaming of BDSM in this way is therefore nothing but a blessing in my eyes! It widens my market up to those who start off cautiously, lol. In my experience parlour girls tend to work on the basis of time, the sooner the client 'comes' the better but the BDSM clients rarely want 'extras' and often take the full half hour. This is not financially viable in that world. It takes a love of BDSM and not money therefore to specialise in being a Parlour or Escort Mistress. Which is why there ends up, whether they admit it or not, more than a few ex sex-workers in our industry. It is a natural development for some. For the ones that just enter it because of increasing age or the the thought of easy money, well they don't last long anyway. Others have become Dommes the hard way and deserve it, nature and nurture creates a Domme methinks. I originally trained at The Manchester Dungeon, working for nothing whilst I was still doing shifts at the Toucan Massage Parlour in Swinton. Before I eventually bought the place, I opened The Bridge in Huddersfield with Mistress Athena. We got raided by the police. It was for reasons that were actually nothing to do with us but to do with the people who'd rented the premises before us! It was a nightmare but it was also funny. There appears to be no set rules in place yet for Dungeons. When the police had stopped laughing, the CPS had asked MY solicitor 'Well what is the law exactly?' and everyone had passed the case on like a hot potato, the case was dismissed. What is a sexual act? Well shoe worship is similar to a sexual act/fellatio if the sub gets hard. Anything that causes ejaculation can be called a sexual act. If there is more than one woman working from a Chamber then, sod the safety aspects, it's a brothel! But it seems everyone is waiting for a test case. That comes with the territory. Meanwhile I too am fed up with people continually trying to put others down to make themselves feel superior. Women can do what the Hell they want to do as long as it is their choice and empowers them in whichever way they choose. Men would freely have sex with anyone they asked that agreed! And boast of the fact! I get numerous emails from subs that want to be 'sluts' and used in session or even hired out as prostitutes. I wish, lol. So why are we still so stupidly stuck in the middle ages about womens sexual appetites? Whatever a woman does or doesn't do is personal to her tastes and is up to her. No-one is better or worse than another, just different. And never forget who's the superior sex here - we CAN pay for sex but WE don't have to, lol. A Mistress in my mind is a strong individualistic character who does what she wants when she wants and cares little for others opinion. Should she want to fuck a client then why not? I only have a problem with women who mix boundaries. Pro Dommes should never include sex as part of the job, or offer it at an extra charge in every session. The chances of being sexually attracted to every client is minimal and therefore a Mistress should be untouchable unless the whim takes her. Then it has nothing to do with the money, law, opinions et al. If you want sex then go to an escort or parlour. If you want BDSM go to a Pro Domme. Legalities mean that everyone states on their sites that there is no sex. I've seen enough Dommes come and go to know that not all mean it. Ask. Get what you want at the price you want and be happy. And let's all live and let live! MISTRESS JULIA PINK www.themanchesterdungeon.com | |||||||
| 11 Oct 09, 11:36 PM Romola UK, 7 yrs |
In law, I think it is. I don;t see how it matters though, as prostitution is perfectly legal. It's only a weblog | |||||||
| 11 Oct 09, 11:52 PM Elysium UK(EH), 5 yrs |
I could have worded that fragment a bit better. All I meant to say was that PD's are sex workers. They're not "hookers with whips". They provide a different and distinct service compared to the standard sex worker. However, they're still sex workers. No better, no worse. It's a different facet of the oldest noblest profession in the world. I'm not ragging on PD's here. I respect PD's right to work. It would be nice to hear some other PD views on the topic. I mean, without having to delve into some secluded little part of the site.
You're so cute when you're frustrated. | |||||||
| 14 Oct 09, 7:49 PM Tara_Red UK(B), 5 yrs £ |
Ah, I specifically posted oral sex as CK posted 'wanking a guy off' ie the domme wanking the guy which is prostitution if in a brothel. AS far as I'm aware but I can't see it in the CPS the bloke wanking himself off is not and it would be up to the CPS to decide if it comes under the sexual acts or not. I would think it would be a hard case to prosecute if it was a diy job?
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| 14 Oct 09, 7:52 PM Tara_Red UK(B), 5 yrs £ |
Yes prositution is legal unless you do it in pairs or groups under the same roof, so it would only be a problem in say a massage parlour if it got raided etc or a premises where more than one girl was working at a time.
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| 14 Oct 09, 7:56 PM Tara_Red UK(B), 5 yrs £ |
Mistress Julia Pink's reply was very good. We also have hooker subs with whips offering all personal services along with their spankings. And whereas some sites will only take pro dommes/pro subs etc and no escorts at all others don't care and lump us all in together! Pro submissive & switch with great dungeon & LOTS of toys! | |||||||
| 15 Oct 09, 8:51 AM Powder_Hound UK(BL), 4 yrs |
What an excellant post by Mistress Julia Pink from the front end so to speak. I'd like to add some comments from personal experience, and it is just that, I am wary of making generalisations or speaking for others.
A person should be free to work as an escort or as a PD. A person should be free to buy those services. Powder_Hound A fan & client of both The Manchester Dungeon & Sandys Superstars If love is blind, how come lingerie is so popular ? | |||||||
| 15 Oct 09, 12:50 PM MistressJuliaPink UK(M), 7 yrs £ |
LOL, we're all sat here trying to work out who you are now Mr Powder Hound ! Mistress Julia Pink www. themanchesterdungeon.com |