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Hookers with Whips.... (28)

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11 Oct 09, 1:42 PM
Elysium
UK(EH), 5 yrs

MissKimberley wrote:
Deviant_Mind wrote:
Hookers with Whips....

Hi folks,

Just wondered what everyones thoughts on The latest Mistress Matisse control tower article?

In it she outlines the thoughts behind PD's calling some sex workers "Hookers with whips". I've noticed plenty of women guilty of this phenomenon.

Anyone of the guilty parties care to contradict Matisse's post?

I do not believe 'hookers with whips' are a bad thing. They offer something to certain people. PDs offer something somewhat different to other certain people. It doesn't make what PDs do any better, or worse. Just different. If the boundaries are clear then PDs have nothing to fear from prostitutes. PDs just need to make their own personal boundaries very clear to whoever visits them.

Good stuff! I think you hit the nail on the head. PD's don't think they're sex workers, that what they do is somehow "better" than hookers with whips.

I consider myself a sex positive person. I'm sure many PD's are too. They have their reasons for denigrating hookers with whips, if only to differentiate what sets them apart and skirt a legal grey area. However, it does annoy me when this results in passive aggressive insults to other sex workers. Surely PD's are in extremely similar situations and are at some of the same risks. A little solidarity would go a long way.

Thanks for the reply Miss Kimberley, it's nice to read a level headed sex positive response from a PD.

You're so cute when you're frustrated.

11 Oct 09, 2:27 PM
professional_BDSM
UK, 2 yrs
£
Deviant_Mind wrote:

Good stuff! I think you hit the nail on the head. PD's don't think they're sex workers, that what they do is somehow "better" than hookers with whips.

This weblog may be of interest to some.

Domination and Sex

Regards,

The @professional_BDSM Collective

Find something you love to do and you'll never have to work a day in your life. - Harvey Mackay

11 Oct 09, 3:04 PM
MistressJuliaPink
UK(M), 7 yrs
£
Interesting topic.

As an ex sex-worker myself I have seen how all levels of the sex industry work.

There is quite a substantial client base that are on the cusp - visiting both massage parlours/escorts and Pro Dommes as the mood (or their finances or their penis) take them.

You'll also find that these days it is far more common for parlours to have a 'Dungeon' room and a lot of men that start off in those eventually want more and drift up to the (more expensive)world of Pro-Domming. It is a good, if basic, introduction.

The mainstreaming of BDSM in this way is therefore nothing but a blessing in my eyes! It widens my market up to those who start off cautiously, lol.

In my experience parlour girls tend to work on the basis of time, the sooner the client 'comes' the better but the BDSM clients rarely want 'extras' and often take the full half hour. This is not financially viable in that world. It takes a love of BDSM and not money therefore to specialise in being a Parlour or Escort Mistress.

Which is why there ends up, whether they admit it or not, more than a few ex sex-workers in our industry. It is a natural development for some. For the ones that just enter it because of increasing age or the the thought of easy money, well they don't last long anyway.

Others have become Dommes the hard way and deserve it, nature and nurture creates a Domme methinks.

I originally trained at The Manchester Dungeon, working for nothing whilst I was still doing shifts at the Toucan Massage Parlour in Swinton.

Before I eventually bought the place, I opened The Bridge in Huddersfield with Mistress Athena. We got raided by the police. It was for reasons that were actually nothing to do with us but to do with the people who'd rented the premises before us! It was a nightmare but it was also funny. There appears to be no set rules in place yet for Dungeons. When the police had stopped laughing, the CPS had asked MY solicitor 'Well what is the law exactly?' and everyone had passed the case on like a hot potato, the case was dismissed.

What is a sexual act?

Well shoe worship is similar to a sexual act/fellatio if the sub gets hard. Anything that causes ejaculation can be called a sexual act. If there is more than one woman working from a Chamber then, sod the safety aspects, it's a brothel! But it seems everyone is waiting for a test case.

That comes with the territory.

Meanwhile I too am fed up with people continually trying to put others down to make themselves feel superior. Women can do what the Hell they want to do as long as it is their choice and empowers them in whichever way they choose.

Men would freely have sex with anyone they asked that agreed! And boast of the fact!

I get numerous emails from subs that want to be 'sluts' and used in session or even hired out as prostitutes. I wish, lol. So why are we still so stupidly stuck in the middle ages about womens sexual appetites?

Whatever a woman does or doesn't do is personal to her tastes and is up to her. No-one is better or worse than another, just different.

And never forget who's the superior sex here - we CAN pay for sex but WE don't have to, lol.

A Mistress in my mind is a strong individualistic character who does what she wants when she wants and cares little for others opinion. Should she want to fuck a client then why not? I only have a problem with women who mix boundaries. Pro Dommes should never include sex as part of the job, or offer it at an extra charge in every session. The chances of being sexually attracted to every client is minimal and therefore a Mistress should be untouchable unless the whim takes her. Then it has nothing to do with the money, law, opinions et al.

If you want sex then go to an escort or parlour.

If you want BDSM go to a Pro Domme.

Legalities mean that everyone states on their sites that there is no sex. I've seen enough Dommes come and go to know that not all mean it. Ask. Get what you want at the price you want and be happy.

And let's all live and let live!

MISTRESS JULIA PINK www.themanchesterdungeon.com

11 Oct 09, 11:36 PM
Romola
UK, 7 yrs

Clockworkknight wrote:
ive got a question - is wanking a guy off during a session prostitution.

In law, I think it is. I don;t see how it matters though, as prostitution is perfectly legal.

It's only a weblog :-)

11 Oct 09, 11:52 PM
Elysium
UK(EH), 5 yrs

professional_BDSM wrote:
Deviant_Mind wrote:

Good stuff! I think you hit the nail on the head. PD's don't think they're sex workers, that what they do is somehow "better" than hookers with whips.

This weblog may be of interest to some.

Domination and Sex

Regards,

The @professional_BDSM Collective

I could have worded that fragment a bit better. All I meant to say was that PD's are sex workers. They're not "hookers with whips". They provide a different and distinct service compared to the standard sex worker. However, they're still sex workers. No better, no worse. It's a different facet of the oldest noblest profession in the world.

I'm not ragging on PD's here. I respect PD's right to work. It would be nice to hear some other PD views on the topic. I mean, without having to delve into some secluded little part of the site.

You're so cute when you're frustrated.

14 Oct 09, 7:49 PM
Tara_Red
UK(B), 5 yrs
£
MissKimberley wrote:
Tara_Red wrote:
Clockworkknight wrote:
ive got a question - is wanking a guy off during a session prostitution.

According to the CPS under the Sexual Offences Act yes oral sex is.

Wanking off isn't oral sex though. Are there any cases anyone knows about?

Ah, I specifically posted oral sex as CK posted 'wanking a guy off' ie the domme wanking the guy which is prostitution if in a brothel. AS far as I'm aware but I can't see it in the CPS the bloke wanking himself off is not and it would be up to the CPS to decide if it comes under the sexual acts or not. I would think it would be a hard case to prosecute if it was a diy job?

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Edited 14 Oct 09, 7:51 PM by Tara_Red

14 Oct 09, 7:52 PM
Tara_Red
UK(B), 5 yrs
£
Romola wrote:
Clockworkknight wrote:
ive got a question - is wanking a guy off during a session prostitution.

In law, I think it is. I don;t see how it matters though, as prostitution is perfectly legal.

Yes prositution is legal unless you do it in pairs or groups under the same roof, so it would only be a problem in say a massage parlour if it got raided etc or a premises where more than one girl was working at a time.

Pro submissive & switch with great dungeon & LOTS of toys!

Edited 14 Oct 09, 7:53 PM by Tara_Red

14 Oct 09, 7:56 PM
Tara_Red
UK(B), 5 yrs
£
Mistress Julia Pink's reply was very good.

We also have hooker subs with whips offering all personal services along with their spankings.

And whereas some sites will only take pro dommes/pro subs etc and no escorts at all others don't care and lump us all in together!

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15 Oct 09, 8:51 AM
Powder_Hound
UK(BL), 4 yrs

What an excellant post by Mistress Julia Pink from the front end so to speak. I'd like to add some comments from personal experience, and it is just that, I am wary of making generalisations or speaking for others.

MistressJuliaPink wrote:
There is quite a substantial client base that are on the cusp - visiting both massage parlours/escorts and Pro Dommes as the mood (or their finances or their penis) take them.
Many girls at massage parlours offer mild domination, foot fetish etc. It is an excellant solution if you are looking for a sexual element to your BDSM, such as oral worship.

MistressJuliaPink wrote:
In my experience parlour girls tend to work on the basis of time, the sooner the client 'comes' the better but the BDSM clients rarely want 'extras' and often take the full half hour. This is not financially viable in that world. It takes a love of BDSM and not money therefore to specialise in being a Parlour or Escort Mistress.
The parlours I have visited, you pay for the time. Admittedly I usualy take an hour which is plenty. But with the booking system I have never been rushed to come. It is more in the girls interest to receive a favourable report, than to make you come quickly.

MistressJuliaPink wrote:
Which is why there ends up, whether they admit it or not, more than a few ex sex-workers in our industry.
There is an additional reason for this. Ignoring the physical skills, the ability to continualy keep clicking with a new person in a few minutes is similar in both jobs & never fails to impress me.

MistressJuliaPink wrote:
What is a sexual act?

Well shoe worship is similar to a sexual act/fellatio if the sub gets hard. Anything that causes ejaculation can be called a sexual act. If there is more than one woman working from a Chamber then, sod the safety aspects, it's a brothel!

Personaly, I like to be allowed to masturbate at the end of a session with a PD. When I first visit a PD I always word it as 'If she allows her clients to'. I can't actualy think of one who didn't, but if she didn't I wouldn't complain, as I am sure her website would have the usual no sexual services bit. I just wouldn't visit her again.

MistressJuliaPink wrote:
Meanwhile I too am fed up with people continually trying to put others down to make themselves feel superior. Women can do what the Hell they want to do as long as it is their choice and empowers them in whichever way they choose.
How true. And can we apply it to everyone, not just women.

MistressJuliaPink wrote:
Pro Dommes should never include sex as part of the job, or offer it at an extra charge in every session.
If I might refer you back to the bit about women being allowed to do what they want ? Whilst I actualy agree with you, this is us making rules based on our own perception of a good or proper Mistress. That may not be the womans (or the clients) view or preference.

MistressJuliaPink wrote:
And let's all live and let live!
Amen. We often get tied up on threads (ooh nearly a pun!) with this question about whether PD BDSM is a sexual activity. I don't think it matters. We should be trying to remove the stigma attached to adult services, rather than trying to move our little activity out of that category.

A person should be free to work as an escort or as a PD.

A person should be free to buy those services.

Powder_Hound

A fan & client of both The Manchester Dungeon & Sandys Superstars

If love is blind, how come lingerie is so popular ?

15 Oct 09, 12:50 PM
MistressJuliaPink
UK(M), 7 yrs
£
LOL, we're all sat here trying to work out who you are now Mr Powder Hound !

Mistress Julia Pink www. themanchesterdungeon.com

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