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Social work: no subs allowed (Heresy Corner) (96)

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Fri 11 Sep 09, 11:21 AM
Degenerate*
UK(M), 5 yrs

I hope you enjoy this excellent piece. http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/2009/09/social-...

Nice one Serena and Heresiarch for speaking out.

De

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11 Sep 09, 1:03 PM
merrynb99
UK(SL), 6 yrs
Very informative; thank you.

eta: the link presented by the "tends to show" phrase in the article is particularly interesting.

I may be a sick, twisted pervert, but I am NOT corrupt.

Edited 11 Sep 09, 1:04 PM by merrynb99

11 Sep 09, 5:50 PM
Miss_serena
4 yrs
your very welcome , enjoyed reading it , she is a fantastic writer and conveyed my thoughts and feelings well.x thankyou De for putting me in contact with her.x

owned , happy and contented.x

11 Sep 09, 5:54 PM
Souci_X
UK(BA), 5 yrs

I haven't read the article, but I quite my social work course after a 'morality' lesson we had regarding our private lives, anything is and can loose you your job and basically make you unemployable again, including drugs, drink and wiitwd.
11 Sep 09, 10:23 PM
Christina1394
UK(BS), 3 yrs
I strongly believe the best thing to do, for anyone who finds themselves in a similar situation as Serena or Heresiarch, is simply to refuse to answer any questions at all. It's called a "Private life" for a reason...
11 Sep 09, 10:34 PM
Souci_X
UK(BA), 5 yrs

Christina1394 wrote:
I strongly believe the best thing to do, for anyone who finds themselves in a similar situation as Serena or Heresiarch, is simply to refuse to answer any questions at all. It's called a "Private life" for a reason...

Unfortunately, in that instance they can chuck you out on the speculation, you really aren't allowed to do anything not just because you are a face of social work but also what happens if you have a service user who recognises you? you can put yourself into a very difficult position.

11 Sep 09, 11:29 PM
Christina1394
UK(BS), 3 yrs
Souci_X wrote:
Christina1394 wrote:
I strongly believe the best thing to do, for anyone who finds themselves in a similar situation as Serena or Heresiarch, is simply to refuse to answer any questions at all. It's called a "Private life" for a reason...

Unfortunately, in that instance they can chuck you out on the speculation, you really aren't allowed to do anything...

If you're not doing anything illegal I fail to see how it's any business of theirs. I'd also like to see how an employer would defend themselves in the courts for unfair dismissal.

11 Sep 09, 11:31 PM
Souci_X
UK(BA), 5 yrs

Christina1394 wrote:

If you're not doing anything illegal I fail to see how it's any business of theirs. I'd also like to see how an employer would defend themselves in the courts for unfair dismissal.

You sign a contract when you sign up to the GSCC which basically outlines 'clean living' and morality issues, I think that is where the grey line is.

12 Sep 09, 12:16 AM
Christina1394
UK(BS), 3 yrs
Souci_X wrote:
You sign a contract when you sign up to the GSCC which basically outlines 'clean living' and morality issues, I think that is where the grey line is.

I believe Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1998 covers that ("RIGHT TO RESPECT FOR PRIVATE AND FAMILY LIFE").

12 Sep 09, 12:27 AM
foibey
UK(M), 7 yrs
Christina1394 wrote:
Souci_X wrote:
You sign a contract when you sign up to the GSCC which basically outlines 'clean living' and morality issues, I think that is where the grey line is.

I believe Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1998 covers that ("RIGHT TO RESPECT FOR PRIVATE AND FAMILY LIFE").

Except in cases where the government deems it necessary and reasonable to place restrictions on that privacy. (and that loophole is in the HRA too).

Just to quote the relevant bit of the act (emphasis mine):

Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life

1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Now I don't agree that it's really "necessary" in a democratic society to invade people's privacy like this but when they started passing laws about what's reasonable to vet people for in ECRB checks and such they will have thought about whether what they were doing would be considered legal by the courts, and their guess is probably better than yours or mine about what the law means.

moo

Edited 12 Sep 09, 12:47 AM by foibey

12 Sep 09, 12:30 AM
Christina1394
UK(BS), 3 yrs
foibey wrote:
Christina1394 wrote:
Souci_X wrote:
You sign a contract when you sign up to the GSCC which basically outlines 'clean living' and morality issues, I think that is where the grey line is.

I believe Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1998 covers that ("RIGHT TO RESPECT FOR PRIVATE AND FAMILY LIFE").

Except in cases where the government deems it necessary and reasonable to place restrictions on that privacy. (and that loophole is in the HRA too).

Sure, but this has never been tested in court. The key phrase here is "the government deems it necessary and reasonable", and I do not believe one's sexuality is "necessary and reasonable" to such a restriction. No more than it was "necessary and reasonable" when the Government forced Alan Turing to undergo Hormone Therapy for being gay, fifty years go.

Edited 12 Sep 09, 12:31 AM by Christina1394

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