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Learning from porn... (23)

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16 Aug 09, 12:25 PM
boundtostrip
UK(GU), 10 yrs
The 'Society for Human Sexuality' www.sexuality.org has been around for many years now.

It's all free information, generally written by people passionate about their particular subject area, and is usually pretty informative about a host of stuff.

For hints and tips about loads of things, it can be very good (although it might take a bit of time to find the section your're after)

www.bondageu.com (Bondage University) was set up by Lorelei from BedroomBondage a good few years ago too. It's pretty basic information, and would probably be 'below' your level of knowledge, but can be good for some beginners.

If you have some specific area you want to improve on, I'm sure we'd be able to direct you to a specialist in this area to help learn from too!

Edited 16 Aug 09, 12:26 PM by boundtostrip

16 Aug 09, 7:15 PM
roymondo
UK(LN), 4 yrs
www.paltalk.com is a live chat forum with video or cam. In the Adult Playground 'All Style Mistresses' (male) and 'All tied-up' (usually female) have vides running continually.

There are other vide orientated feeds too - extreme anal and fisting etc.

It is free to join but about $60 per year for streaming video, multiple windows and up to 3 rooms.

Mistresses often shows very inventive means of inflicting control or punishment.

16 Aug 09, 7:29 PM
fussyone
9 yrs
I hate porn with a passion and i don't think that a d/s dynamic could be 'learned' by watching that shite. Control of someones mind is only going to happen if they have trust of you and fully respect you as a person...maybe s&m techniques could be improved by watching videos though.

How could an entire relationship that may build up to a d/s dynamic be observed in a video? I think that d/s can only work if all the above is happening and the submissive actully wants to do it anyway. Otherwise, your just playing d/s - nothing wrong with that (its what i do a lot )...anyway, maybe i shouldn't comment as i'm not in a d/s relationship at all! http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/p/Belasarius/ this guy could tell you more about how to maintain a d/s relationship

16 Aug 09, 7:46 PM
misfit
UK, 3 yrs
SinPar wrote:
NaughtyJim wrote:
I've started to get more of an interest in the D/s element lately and wondered if there is any pr0n/video footage out there that you would recommend that really shows great D/s technique?
D/s is a very intimate and unique relationship between two people. You can get inspiration from other sources, certainly, but you're going to have to develop the meat of the relationship yourself and tailor it to what works for you. Most of my sources in learning D/s have been dog training books, military officer's manuals, the pornographic writings of Laura Antoniou's Marketplace series, and some movies (Remains of the Day comes to mind). It's mostly about taking a good idea and making it work for you- no matter what the source.

As you journey into D/s I'd offer one bit of advice: Every time you make a rule for someone else's behavior you have created for yourself the rule of observing that it is done. That is why it is very important that you build protocols between you that aren't burdensome and feel comfortable to you. D/s alters both parties involved in it to some degree- and you can find yourself surprisingly fatigued by it emotionally even though you are having great fun and happiness from it.

SinPar

Great comment about Remains of the day, a truly excellent movie about repression. Hopkins best performance and Emma is outstanding too.

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17 Aug 09, 12:12 AM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs

NaughtyJim wrote:
Learning from porn... ...is never a good idea, I know!

...

I've started to get more of an interest in the D/s element lately and wondered if there is any pr0n/video footage out there that you would recommend that really shows great D/s technique?

I can't personally see how that would work. Those things are just too individual, and hardly likely to be exposed in pornography in a meaningful way. There are films that explore D/s relationships, but I suspect the directorial and acting skills required are something not likely to be encountered in a porn context....

And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!

17 Aug 09, 12:24 AM
NaughtyJim
UK(W), 5 yrs

Firstly, thank you for your replies... (and just to make that clearer for Kayak1, I genuinely mean that!)

Secondly:

So what you're collectively saying is that there has never been recorded on camera (and then placed on the internet) any hot D/s between two people (even including all the amateur uploaded video content, video blogs, etc.)?

Anyone else find that hard to believe...??

Edited 17 Aug 09, 2:06 AM by NaughtyJim

17 Aug 09, 1:06 AM
kayak1
UK(PA), 4 yrs
NaughtyJim wrote:
Firstly, thank you for your replies...

Secondly:

So what you're collectively saying is that there has never been recorded on camera (and then placed on the internet) any hot D/s between two people (even including all the amateur uploaded video content, video blogs, etc.)?

Anyone else find that hard to believe...??

As I have done on my previous posts if you ask the question then you have to at least consider the replies otherwise whats the point of asking ?

17 Aug 09, 2:01 AM
NaughtyJim
UK(W), 5 yrs

kayak1 wrote:

As I have done on my previous posts if you ask the question then you have to at least consider the replies otherwise whats the point of asking ?

No, I did consider the points: I thanked people for them, then I asked a supplementary question...

My slight hesitation is, that my question was not:

'Can someone please point me to a resource to help me with D/s...'

...it was:

'Is there any video footage, within pr0n, which is worthy of note in this respect?'

I used pr0n, as I thought it a genre likely to yield some interesting results. There have been some interesting replies, but if the answer is 'no' then it's 'no'; and I don't have a problem with that.

What I found interesting was that, given for some people D/s has a sexual element, it is odd that this has never been fully exploited in pr0n (particularly independent porn), hence the secondary question...

The tertiary question:

'Does anyone else find that hard to believe?'

...is not a reprimanding of the answers given so far, but a question as to why might that be. I find it odd that there are aspects of our sexuality that are not recorded within the context of our pornography...

Edited 17 Aug 09, 2:41 AM by NaughtyJim

17 Aug 09, 1:25 PM
SinPar
US, 12 yrs
NaughtyJim wrote:
I find it odd that there are aspects of our sexuality that are not recorded within the context of our pornography...
I don't find it odd at all. D/s is very much a "blind men and elephant" experience in that the components of what makes good D/s vary so widely between people. If you turn the D/s into sexual action shots- you're making SM porn. If you don't have some sort of sexual action- it may begin to lose its appeal as pornography.

D/s is powerful stuff. It is complementary to SM (they're synergistic) but it is not the same thing. Generally it's been my experience when seeing D/s happen between people I have more of a "That's nice" reaction than a "That's hot".

Maybe I don't get what people get out of porn- so it's entirely possible that I may not can see out of your lens on life.

SinPar

-- The weak are the most treacherous of us all. They come to the strong and drain them. They are bottomless. They are insatiable. They are always parched and always bitter. They are everyone's concern, and like vampires they suck our life's blood. (Bette Davis)

17 Aug 09, 4:45 PM
NaughtyJim
UK(W), 5 yrs

SinPar wrote:

it may begin to lose its appeal as pornography.

Yep, note the word 'may' - that's why I'm asking if there is anywhere where it may not have lost it's appeal.

Whilst not the intention of the filming, I remember having seen elements of D/s in Kink.com stuff - it's not scripted; it's not supposed to be there, but it's there! Leading from this I wondered if anyone had ever had a go at scripting it and making it appear in front of someone.

I think there's a confusion here between the type/level of D/s displayed in an established 'D/s relationship' and the occurrence of everyday D/s...

For example, at the thinnest end of the wedge; that nilla that teases you and takes control of the conversation or who starts bossing you around to flirt with you - as soon as you flirt back by accepting that control (with a rye smile), you have exchanged power for erotic purpose; you are encouraging them to do more...

This then, goes all the way along to your 24/7 lifestyle M/s couple where control of absolutely everything is total and absolute (again for purposes sometimes erotic, sometimes 'other').

I know that's not a regularly spoken or celebrated thing... I know that loads of 'twue' people will now start to lecture me on how it's not true D/s - but it is! There was power exchange for erotic purpose...

SinPar wrote:
D/s is powerful stuff. It is complementary to SM (they're synergistic) but it is not the same thing.

Can you see how that comes over as a little patronising? I know the difference, thanks...

SinPar wrote:
Generally it's been my experience when seeing D/s happen between people I have more of a "That's nice" reaction than a "That's hot".

Yes, I've seen it too and I do find it hot, not nice... hence there is merit in the question.

SinPar wrote:
Maybe I don't get what people get out of porn- so it's entirely possible that I may not can see out of your lens on life.

It doesn't feature much through my lens; that's why I asked the question. Pr0n is not something I think of as great, I just wondered if this had been done anywhere within that genre...

I'll tell you one thing that does make me hate discussing D/s - the fact that people struggle so much to apply logical analytical thought, rather than romanticism...

As for pr0n, when publicly discussed, it's seen as all being the same - all shallow, hedonistic and mostly worthless unless you just quickly want to 'brush one off' - it's so base and animalistic in it's premise. D/s is true and magical and intellectual - the two CAN'T have anything to do with each other - it'd sully the brand! ;)

I'm not saying there's anything massive here, people, I just asked the simple question - and for the final time: I KNOW PR0N IS CURRENTLY CRAP, I AM NO SUPPORTER OF PORN IN IT'S CURRENT INCARNATION! It is there for titillation, it is not an instruction manual... I just wondered if ANYTHING meritorious had ever come out of it...

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