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For people in 24/7, it is not just all play or role play, it is how they live their lives and in that context it does matter if people look down upon you. No one should feel their life choices make them an object of scorn, derision or judgement especially by others on the scene.

24/7 subs and slaves can and do live similar lives, it is only the concept of 'ownership' which separates them.

I understand you're probably just joking but I felt that post was really offensive. Submission, regardless of gender, takes strength and that deserves respect.

We've been to munches where I've chatted to male dominants who have completely ignored my partner because he is a male sub, and it's something that actually puts B off attending these things. It's not nice when people talk to your girlfriend as if you don't exist.

I have so much respect for B. He can do anything with a computer, can fix things around the house, can cook amazing meals, shows great compassion and consideration for the animals we care for, and is just generally quite wonderful. He also puts up with me and can handle my little oddities . As well as all that, he submits and he tries his hardest to put me first and make my life better for having him in it.

I won't gush anymore about him, but the idea of someone seeing him as not "a real man" really is quite surprising to me. I'm so lucky to have him in my life. Right now, he's safely hidden away in case anyone wants to steal him .

Exactly how I feel about my sub Paul. He is amazingly practical, capable, intelligent and puts up with me and does all that I ask with wonderful willingness and obedience.

I also abhor how some male Doms act around male subs and feel ashamed of their bigoted behaviour. The idea that female subs somehow then also see male subs as lower than them and commodities to use is dispiriting.

I will always speak up for male subs, on the grounds that while there may be a fair share of 'wanna be' and 'do me' subs and so on in their ranks, they are actually no different than any other subset of the kink community. Male subs get a very raw deal sometimes. The good ones deserve praise and recognition for the pleasure they bring.

24/7 subs and slaves can and do live similar lives, it is only the concept of 'ownership' which separates them.

Therefore, as I'm not sexually attracted by submissive men I just see them as men, same way I see every other man that's not my partner, and I don't think any less of them at all.

judy

I must be only one in a million (© David Bowie)

Everybody knows, the things she does to please, low cut sweaters and her skirt above her knees.

Just to throw my tuppence into the pot

I am a male switch, have only been on scene for the last 18 months, I am mid-20's and considered kinda inexperienced by the players on my local scene.

My partner; male sub, only been on scene 6 months, early-20's and very inexperienced.

(Incidentally, i only top/dom with my partner, but both of us play with others, usually dominant/switch women, so you can consider me more sub for the purposes of this discussion)

Right, background aside, if i were to find that there were someone "playing" (and not in the good way ) then i would not be happy, and neither would my boy...

I am begining to wonder if this post is just inflammatory..

Warning - posts may be soppy due to the fact that the poster is in love with his boy...
I told you it was soppy

Some of the women that I have been involved with have expressed a desire to indulge their occasional submissive inclinations from time to time. Others have been primarily submissive and have wanted to add me to their current relationship to excersise their dominant facets.

It's clear to me that we're not all one thing or the other and want to try the flip side to our nature.

I've never thought of myself as weak and I don't see my role as passive. It's just that within a relationship I prefer to relate as a submissive man. Sometimes I like to act that way with someone just for fun, but that's for another thread.

I'm pleased that so many responding here see the real man beneath the surface.

But it never ceases to amaze me that in a supposedly open and alternative milieu, I see the same patterns applied over and over again against males , in this case submissives, with the same preconceived judgements as the society imposes on what it is to be a real man!..

To think that a man is not as much of a man if he steps outside any given line where true maleness is suppose to lie is probably the biggest prejudice, taboo and prison I can see posed for them.

Considering the challenging process it demands for so inclined males to deal with and take a stand to oppose the options that are standard in their minds, being submissive to females in this case, inner strenght comes in handy to face their own prejudices and our beautiful world with inclinations that are reverse and adverse to it. Is it surprising then that many submissive males will have kept this the Secret of their lives?

Edited 10 Aug 09, 3:49 PM by EtaCarinae

I wonder whether there may be a connection between the submissive man and the concept of the “New Man” – a model of masculinity in which a man will happily cook or clean, experience and express emotions, push the buggy and change a nappy, entrust a woman partner with financial decisions or driving, work for a female boss or be operated on by a female surgeon, whose sexuality is fluid and used in the service of a woman instead of for personal gratification. Much of this was unthinkable to most men 50 years ago. Masculinity has changed and is changing as new models appear and evolve.

This is not to denigrate the traditional “Alpha Male” model; merely to affirm alternatives.

Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est. http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/226772/