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Rape Claim (34)

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Tue 30 Jun 09, 2:43 PM
Jujucat
4 yrs
Whilst getting my daily dose of news I came across this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/polit...

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.

30 Jun 09, 2:46 PM
fussyone
9 yrs
O dear it looks like she had a major fuck up there!
30 Jun 09, 2:54 PM
Doghouse_Reilly
UK(MK), 6 yrs

Awesome work, just quoting the prosecution pretty much word for word. Is that what counts as even handed journalism these days? Will tomorrow's story be along the lines of, "Defence lawyer says she didn't do it"?

Really insightful stuff from the Telegraph as ever.

All that is required for the triumph of evil is for Chuck Norris to change sides.

30 Jun 09, 2:56 PM
Hells_Bells
UK(G), 6 yrs
Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
Awesome work, just quoting the prosecution pretty much word for word. Is that what counts as even handed journalism these days? Will tomorrow's story be along the lines of, "Defence lawyer says she didn't do it"?

Really insightful stuff from the Telegraph as ever.

Of course you'll know, Doghouse, that reporting court cases, especially ongoing ones, can basically only tell you what happened in court that day. Word for word is standard practice. :-p

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. ~ Groucho Marx

30 Jun 09, 3:55 PM
Sirebel
UK, 5 yrs


It is a poor piece of journalism. I understand the limits of reporting but what is the case? I had to read it very carefully to see if this was his rape trial, and she was being cross examined, or her trial for false allegations (no idea what the crime is). The fact that Ms Hennessy is prosecuting and doesn't seem to like her implies it is her trial. I'm guessing her allegation didn't stand up.

I don't know what's right and what's real any more

30 Jun 09, 4:08 PM
Doghouse_Reilly
UK(MK), 6 yrs

Sirebel wrote:
It is a poor piece of journalism. I understand the limits of reporting but what is the case? I had to read it very carefully to see if this was his rape trial, and she was being cross examined, or her trial for false allegations (no idea what the crime is). The fact that Ms Hennessy is prosecuting and doesn't seem to like her implies it is her trial. I'm guessing her allegation didn't stand up.

That's pretty much precisely my complaint with the piece.

The story itself is clearly meant to make you think that the girl in the story who cried rape is some sort of stupid/evil bitch who is happy to drop a man into a world of shit just because she's a silly cow. It's meant to make you angry, pissed off in sympathy with the guy who was fucked over. And it did make me feel that when I first read it, it took me a second reading to spot that it's really just an extremely provocative piece that serves little news value.

All that is required for the triumph of evil is for Chuck Norris to change sides.

30 Jun 09, 4:11 PM
Doghouse_Reilly
UK(MK), 6 yrs

Hells_Bells wrote:
Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
Awesome work, just quoting the prosecution pretty much word for word. Is that what counts as even handed journalism these days? Will tomorrow's story be along the lines of, "Defence lawyer says she didn't do it"?

Really insightful stuff from the Telegraph as ever.

Of course you'll know, Doghouse, that reporting court cases, especially ongoing ones, can basically only tell you what happened in court that day. Word for word is standard practice. :-p

There was a lot that should have been reported that wasn't clear, and this was my main complaint. The accusations against the woman were given far more space than the case details. And when all is said and done she's getting charged with what, wasting police time or something? How does that merit the attention of a national paper? Hell even an actual rape trial shouldn't warrant that.

All that is required for the triumph of evil is for Chuck Norris to change sides.

30 Jun 09, 4:20 PM
Hells_Bells
UK(G), 6 yrs
Doghouse_Reilly wrote:

There was a lot that should have been reported that wasn't clear, and this was my main complaint. The accusations against the woman were given far more space than the case details. And when all is said and done she's getting charged with what, wasting police time or something? How does that merit the attention of a national paper? Hell even an actual rape trial shouldn't warrant that.

They can only report it precisely because it is a charge for wasting police time.

They couldn't report the original 'rape' case in its fullest due to anonymity issues.

I guess they're just taking advantage of the part of the law that says you can name the alleged rape victim if it's later denied and turns up in court on a charge of wasting police time/perjury/contempt/whatever.

True, it's not very newsworthy, but not a lot is these days.

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. ~ Groucho Marx

30 Jun 09, 4:30 PM
spirifer
UK, 6 yrs
Hells_Bells wrote:
Doghouse_Reilly wrote:

There was a lot that should have been reported that wasn't clear, and this was my main complaint. The accusations against the woman were given far more space than the case details. And when all is said and done she's getting charged with what, wasting police time or something? How does that merit the attention of a national paper? Hell even an actual rape trial shouldn't warrant that.

They can only report it precisely because it is a charge for wasting police time.

They couldn't report the original 'rape' case in its fullest due to anonymity issues.

I guess they're just taking advantage of the part of the law that says you can name the alleged rape victim if it's later denied and turns up in court on a charge of wasting police time/perjury/contempt/whatever.

True, it's not very newsworthy, but not a lot is these days.

I'm not sure that there even was a rape trial? It's unclear what the hell went on, and it's incredibly badly written; this sentence is a gem:

Prosecutor Lisa Hennessy said played the jury part of Knowles' video interview with police.

Say again? In English this time, please.

The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
A denizen of a right little, tight little island.

30 Jun 09, 4:38 PM
Hells_Bells
UK(G), 6 yrs
spirifer wrote:

I'm not sure that there even was a rape trial? It's unclear what the hell went on, and it's incredibly badly written; this sentence is a gem:

Prosecutor Lisa Hennessy said played the jury part of Knowles' video interview with police.

Say again? In English this time, please.

Ha, yeah, that's particularly terrible and lazy.

I'm not denying it's crap. My original point was that in court reporting, ad verbatim speech is pretty much essential. Contempt issues and the like. Then I got a bit side-tracked.

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. ~ Groucho Marx

Edited 30 Jun 09, 4:39 PM by Hells_Bells

30 Jun 09, 4:40 PM
whipswich3
3 yrs
Hells_Bells wrote:
Doghouse_Reilly wrote:

There was a lot that should have been reported that wasn't clear, and this was my main complaint. The accusations against the woman were given far more space than the case details. And when all is said and done she's getting charged with what, wasting police time or something? How does that merit the attention of a national paper? Hell even an actual rape trial shouldn't warrant that.

They can only report it precisely because it is a charge for wasting police time.

They couldn't report the original 'rape' case in its fullest due to anonymity issues.

I guess they're just taking advantage of the part of the law that says you can name the alleged rape victim if it's later denied and turns up in court on a charge of wasting police time/perjury/contempt/whatever.

True, it's not very newsworthy, but not a lot is these days.

She is facing a charge of 'making a false allegation of rape with intent to pervert the course of justice'. It carries a LIFE sentence of imprisonment, although it is very rarely used. IIRC.

I think it is in the public interest to report on this case as a deterrant for making false claims of rape. Although as with all trials, i believe that no names at all should be reported until the case has finished, as she herself may be found not guilty.

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