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Double standards, anyone? (76)

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29 Jun 09, 5:42 PM
wonderer
UK, 5 yrs

Yes, the problem with appealing for consistency is that it could go the wrong way; rather than permitting "extereme" porn they could ban certain films (though rather unlikely that they'd legislate to close down a huge chunk of the film industry; money and big business do count)

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29 Jun 09, 6:16 PM
Ishmael
UK(SE), 12 yrs
little_miss_precious wrote:
equally I don't recall any of Shakespeare's characters having burning petrol poured down their throat. I don't mind death within stories, often it is necessary to keep the plot flowing, its the unashamed flaunting of murder that I disagree with, when you go to a movie just to see what new ways they have come up with to kill somone, not because you liked the look of the plot.

Cleopatra at least threatens something as nasty: 'This gold I'll melt and pour down thy ill-utttering throat', and the violence in Titus Andronicus is notoriously extreme, and easy to copy.

In the main, people do not copy film violence, because they can see how horrible it is, and even if you got rid of it all, the certain vicious percentage would always find some other form of inspiration.

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29 Jun 09, 9:09 PM
tom_tom
UK(PO), 6 yrs

Romantic Comedies should be banned. They're not funny and they create unrealistic expectations.

Throwing eggs at Nick Griffin is counterproductive. To really confound him, the protesters should arrive in an open-top bus filled with 200 incredibly pretty FHM "high-street honey" type glamour girls who simply point at him and laugh derisively at the end of every sentence.

29 Jun 09, 10:56 PM
emark
UK, 8 yrs
spirifer wrote:
So where is the outcry from the likes of Martin "I see snuff films" Salter, and his ilk? After all, if an extremely tenuous link between internet porn and the murder of a woman can be talked up into a law criminalising consenting adults, surely there should be immediate legislation banning horror films?
Don't give them ideas! ;)

I don't think it's a double standard, because there are occasional "uproars" about alleged links between films (not to mention computer games, music, etc) and murders. Many of the people supporting the "extreme porn" law would gladly support greater restrictions on all of this stuff too. We still have the BBFC which can and does routinely censor media even for adults, and this stemmed from such an uproar back in the 80s. I think a better example of a double standard is the fact that we never see things like religion, or I don't know, eating lettuce, being demonised, even though the same arguments could be made - it's only the "unpopular" things in society.

It's also more a double standard from the Government itself. The arguments applied to the "extreme porn" law apply to violent films, and to all porn - the reason these aren't criminalised is either a double standard, or because it knows it can't get away with them. It's easier to scapegoat and criminalise something viewed or possessed only by a minority.

I wouldn't want any porn, or any violent films, to be criminalised - but if the Government were to propose that, there would be far greater opposition to such plans. It's a bit like calling their bluff: "If you really believe these arguments, you should criminalise all of this material". But as always with calling someone's bluff, you should be careful of shooting yourself in the foot, as it might turn out that they are able to ban all the other material too.

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Edited 29 Jun 09, 10:57 PM by emark

29 Jun 09, 11:41 PM
Tovarich
UK, 6 yrs

Max_Bedroom wrote:
(although I do have a soft spot for Danny Dyer)

Me too.

It's 6ft deep and at the bottom of my garden.

Pissed myself laughing when the little mockney twat had to be escorted out of the Spartak crowd, once somebody told them The Football Factory wasn't a documentary :-D

(I can't find the real thing, but this is almost as funny) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QbJ6Woj5hE&featu...

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30 Jun 09, 7:24 AM
Arbuthnot
UK(E), 7 yrs

spirifer wrote:
A young man was killed in the most horrific way, after his killers had watched a horror film and decided to copy the way someone was killed in the film.

Bugger! I can't decide whether to go out and gun someone down after watching an old John Wayne film or whether to succumb to the influence of the Robin Hood series on TV and use a bow and arrow instead. No, hang on, I've been watching the news so I think I'll just go and wipe out two families and their friends by bombing their wedding party.

30 Jun 09, 8:53 AM
Tartful_dodger
UK, 2 yrs
little_miss_precious wrote:
equally I don't recall any of Shakespeare's characters having burning petrol poured down their throat.

Two words. Titus Andronicus.

Lavinia is raped, her hands cut off, and her tongue torn out. She's later murdered by her own family as a way of cleansing the dishonour.

People have their throats slit,before being cooked into pies and fed to their mother.

You were saying?

Gore porn has been around for centuries, honey.

Dodger

30 Jun 09, 8:57 AM
Tartful_dodger
UK, 2 yrs
Tartful_dodger wrote:
little_miss_precious wrote:
equally I don't recall any of Shakespeare's characters having burning petrol poured down their throat.

Two words. Titus Andronicus.

Lavinia is raped, her hands cut off, and her tongue torn out. She's later murdered by her own family as a way of cleansing the dishonour.

People have their throats slit,before being cooked into pies and fed to their mother.

You were saying?

Gore porn has been around for centuries, honey.

The best example of why censorship of violence doesn't work is to be found in A Clockwork Orange. Little Alex talks about enjoying reading the bible very much, not because of the forgiveness and soft words, but because he likes to imagine himself as a roman soldier, torturing Jesus.

People will always be able to find their inspiration somewhere.

Dodger

30 Jun 09, 9:22 AM
ConsciousnessJunkie
UK(N), 5 yrs

Tartful_dodger wrote:
Two words. Titus Andronicus.

Lavinia is raped, her hands cut off, and her tongue torn out. She's later murdered by her own family as a way of cleansing the dishonour.

We put on a production of this when I was with a drama group. Our Lavinia was always in tears after the show because of the massive emotional investment...

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30 Jun 09, 10:22 AM
SirLashleyS
UK(S), 4 yrs

Stopped watching movies years ago, and v.rarely watch any telly. Many vanillas I know seem addicted. Eager to soak up gratuitous violence, car-chases, bombings, mass slaughter, burnings, torture, casual mutilations, rapes, etc, etc, ad infinitum. Hard to believe the talk they come out with, absolutely desensitised, some, to all forms of human brutality. For some it's become their fun every weekend - to go out, get pissed and batter some unsuspecting bloke to the ground. Which of course can't be connected to all the street-fighting vids they so love...

But censorship? No, simply because it is so often misdirected.

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Edited 30 Jun 09, 10:26 AM by SirLashleyS

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