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Double standards, anyone? (76)

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29 Jun 09, 4:10 PM
wonderer
UK, 5 yrs

El_Presidente wrote:

No no no. You see, you don't have to be a pervert to enjoy a good horror film, so they can't be banned, whereas if it's just something that weirdos get off on, then it's fair game. After all, perverts don't deserve the same rights as everyone else!

In which case, it's not cultural expoeriences which lead to killing they're against; it's only when someone enjoys it in a sexual or something-like-sexual way that it's deemed reprehensible and morally repugnant?

Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est. http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/226772/

29 Jun 09, 4:10 PM
mr_Hate
4 yrs
MissFelicity wrote:
El_Presidente wrote:
Thanks for making your position clear, at least.

I wouldn't like to speculate as to where the line for 'serious' is drawn in your book, but nevertheless, I do hope you're not on jury duty if there's ever a repeat of the Spanner case!

I'm not sure what the Spanner case is tbh. We can't help our own viewpoints. I'd never campaign for "extreme porn" to be banned, but I was trying to say how it was different to horror movies.

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanner_case

It's a very good thing to be aware of, as it does have big implications to the UK BDSM scene

29 Jun 09, 4:11 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 4 yrs


MissFelicity wrote:
El_Presidente wrote:
Thanks for making your position clear, at least.

I wouldn't like to speculate as to where the line for 'serious' is drawn in your book, but nevertheless, I do hope you're not on jury duty if there's ever a repeat of the Spanner case!

I'm not sure what the Spanner case is tbh. We can't help our own viewpoints. I'd never campaign for "extreme porn" to be banned, but I was trying to say how it was different to horror movies.

This is the background. It was a case where some men went to prison for engaging in consensual SM.

"If you've got a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul."

29 Jun 09, 4:12 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 4 yrs


wonderer wrote:
El_Presidente wrote:

No no no. You see, you don't have to be a pervert to enjoy a good horror film, so they can't be banned, whereas if it's just something that weirdos get off on, then it's fair game. After all, perverts don't deserve the same rights as everyone else!

In which case, it's not cultural expoeriences which lead to killing they're against; it's only when someone enjoys it in a sexual or something-like-sexual way that it's deemed reprehensible and morally repugnant?

Eeeeexactly. I can't think of any other explanation - can you?

"If you've got a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul."

29 Jun 09, 4:18 PM
spirifer
UK, 6 yrs
El_Presidente wrote:
wonderer wrote:
El_Presidente wrote:

No no no. You see, you don't have to be a pervert to enjoy a good horror film, so they can't be banned, whereas if it's just something that weirdos get off on, then it's fair game. After all, perverts don't deserve the same rights as everyone else!

In which case, it's not cultural expoeriences which lead to killing they're against; it's only when someone enjoys it in a sexual or something-like-sexual way that it's deemed reprehensible and morally repugnant?

Eeeeexactly. I can't think of any other explanation - can you?

Nope - which was exactly the reason for starting this thread.

The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
A denizen of a right little, tight little island.

29 Jun 09, 4:25 PM
mr_Hate
4 yrs
Again, if they could, then they would also extend it to horror films, as they have done in the past. However that's now difficult to prove and can't be easily banned. But sex is a huge trigger for the media and people, so it allows them to target a part of what they hate.
29 Jun 09, 4:29 PM
massado200*
UK(LS), 8 yrs

spirifer wrote:
Double standards, anyone?

Reading of this horrific murder really made me wonder about the law in this country.

A young man was killed in the most horrific way, after his killers had watched a horror film and decided to copy the way someone was killed in the film.

The idea for the murder came from the spoof horror film Severance, which Clarke had watched and remarked, 'Wouldn't it be wicked if you could actually do that to someone in real life?', Norwich Crown Court was told.

So where is the outcry from the likes of Martin "I see snuff films" Salter, and his ilk? After all, if an extremely tenuous link between internet porn and the murder of a woman can be talked up into a law criminalising consenting adults, surely there should be immediate legislation banning horror films?

Of course it never seems to occure to folk that the excuse "we did it because we saw" a film, video computer game or what ever. Could be an invention trotted out after having been banged to rights, in the hope of a lighter sentance. NO! people would not stoop so low?

29 Jun 09, 4:47 PM
mr_Hate
4 yrs
Indeed - it's possible to use this to reduce the charge of murder to that of manslaughter; which has a much leaner sentence.
29 Jun 09, 4:58 PM
prettyname
UK(NW), 11 yrs
There will always be murderers. They've been around for thousands of years, way before any film, picture, song etc etc etc.

The writers who write the stories, the scripts, the plays, the films, the images, those who act in them, produce them, go to watch them, generally enjoy them for what they are else there'd be a lot more carnage going on every time a film was released. There's a very small thing called 'self responsibility' that gets left out in the system we have, where there is always someone else to blame.

Banning the above isn't going to stop a murderer from murdering. If he has a mind that wants to kill in such a cold and calculated way, the chances are he'll do it one way or another, just as all those who murdered before the camera was ever invented had done.

Banning only gives them an excuse to do it with a greater chance of getting away with it, by validating an 'it wasn't my fault' clause. You want to tell the victims mother 'it wasn't their fault?' That it was a writers? An actors? A directors? A producers? All innocent people, yet it's their fault and not the scum that held the victim down and actually poured petrol down his throat and lit it?

Seriously. The day people start having to take responsibility for their own actions and not get away with it is the day some might actually think twice about 'not' doing it.

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29 Jun 09, 5:05 PM
fluffy_welsh_angel
UK(DN), 5 yrs

MissFelicity wrote:
El_Presidente wrote:

Even consensually?

I guess that's the end of boxing and Rugby then.

See that's the problem. There will never be a consensus on what is ok.

Rugby is a bit different to nailing through someone's scrotum etc though.

What about barbed wire wrestling matches, C4 explosives, kendo sticks, ladders......maybe Pro wrestling needs banning too?

Seriously OP, are you really for the banning of horror movies? I watch them for entertainment, romantic comedies bore me, as do many other genres. But then thinking about it, should we ban 'romcom' movies for fear that I will suddenly get the urge to go out and kiss a stranger which in turn may get me up on a sexual assault charge?

There is IMO no connection between movies/video games/music and making people kill. People kill because they want to regardless of just watching Hostel etc. Its a crock, they want something to limit the guilt therefore the movies/god/mickey mouse told them to do it. pfft!

Mew

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