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Double standards, anyone? (76)

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29 Jun 09, 3:02 PM
Lady_Lucan
UK(L), 4 yrs

Shakespeare offers many corking graphic death scenes, no better explored than in one of my favourite films, Theatre of Blood, with Vincent Price on top form. Oh, but it's a horror movie...

They that love not Tobacco & Boies were fooles.

29 Jun 09, 3:03 PM
ConsciousnessJunkie
UK(N), 5 yrs

little_miss_precious wrote:
I don't mind death within stories, often it is necessary to keep the plot flowing, its the unashamed flaunting of murder that I disagree with, when you go to a movie just to see what new ways they have come up with to kill somone, not because you liked the look of the plot.

surely you find more than just horror entertaining?

I've never actually seen a film that I thought "Oh that was just about new and interesting ways to kill people". Perhaps you could actually list some of the movies that you feel should have been banned?

How would you like to judge which movies should be banned? Should we count the number of plot twists? Or maybe we should make a cross section of Brits watch them (don't forget to include the catholic busybody and the staunch muslim so that they can vote against everything). Or maybe we should only allow people to be killed by traditional methods in films. Shakespearian swords only. No petrol allowed. (Oh wait, there goes several of the deaths in 28 Day Later again...). Maybe only low budget horror films should be allowed, so they're full of crap actors that don't make it look real anyway. Any ideas of how you would like to select what films people can and can't watch?

Oh WAIT! This is starting to sound like George Orwell's vision of the future! I thought that the fetish community wanted freedom of speech, not censorship of the arts!

And yes I do like other films. Usually things like Terminator with lots of violence and a crap plot.

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29 Jun 09, 3:05 PM
ConsciousnessJunkie
UK(N), 5 yrs

little_miss_precious wrote:
well in which case can we please have porn laws that reflect this. I was hoping someone might focus on the last part of my post where I asked how we can equate the two. you may not mind horror films, but I presume you also aprove of extreme porn in general. wouldnt you agree that horror as more potential for damadge? at least the two should be judged alike and legilated so. either you ban horror or you legalise both. I hoped that point came accross better than it clearly has. I did not mean to critisise people individually for their tastes simply that I see more potential for harm in horror and would have thought it should be regulated in regards to this.

I do not agree that horror and extreme porn are the same.

I do not believe that pictures of one human being harming another should be published for entertainment.

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29 Jun 09, 3:05 PM
mr_Hate
4 yrs

Max_Bedroom wrote:

mr_Hate wrote:
However, nowhere in the film was a scene of someone putting batteries up someone's ass.

This gets even more complicated. It is my understanding that the battery thing was actually invented by our glorious tabloid press, and did not happen. Apparently, two small children abducting an even smaller child and then beating him to death just isn't shocking enough.

This thread is taking some very odd directions, but all of them lead to the same path: what a very, very, very, very, very, very, very fucked up world this is...

That wouldn't surprise me...

The thing to remember is that there are a lot of people out there who are fucked up. There are a lot of people who appear normal, but could easily kill people. It can be hard to accept that people aren't inherently good and nice, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. The world is full of gray.

29 Jun 09, 3:07 PM
spirifer
UK, 6 yrs

mr_Hate wrote:
<snip> By saying that horror films should be banned because they affect behaviour, it's just encouraging the same idea to then apply to extreme porn.

I haven't said that horror films should be banned.

I am pointing out that in a case where a murder was (extremely tenuously) linked to internet porn, legislation was passed to criminalise "extreme" porn.

In this case, a *direct link* between a horror film and a murder has been shown. So, why aren't the people who pushed for the extreme porn laws pushing even harder for the banning of horror films?

Comments about snuff movies and movie special effects are totally irrelevant, in my opinion.

The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
A denizen of a right little, tight little island.

29 Jun 09, 3:08 PM
ConsciousnessJunkie
UK(N), 5 yrs

mr_Hate wrote:
The thing to remember is that there are a lot of people out there who are fucked up. There are a lot of people who appear normal, but could easily kill people. It can be hard to accept that people aren't inherently good and nice, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. The world is full of gray.

This is very true. I'm a pretty normal girl. But I could concoct a hundred evil and mental ways to kill someone. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it. Doesn't mean a film has inspired me.

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29 Jun 09, 3:09 PM
mr_Hate
4 yrs

MissFelicity wrote:
And yes I do like other films. Usually things like Terminator with lots of violence and a crap plot.

Terminator doesn't have that bad a plot - there's some interesting ideas in there (combined with some hinting at the time paradox argument). Sure it's not hugely complex, but it's more interesting than a lot of other movies. Compare it to Transformers for instance. But not for long, as TF could drive you mad.

29 Jun 09, 3:13 PM
ConsciousnessJunkie
UK(N), 5 yrs

mr_Hate wrote:

MissFelicity wrote:
And yes I do like other films. Usually things like Terminator with lots of violence and a crap plot.

You kidding? I loved transformers, think it was great! Just shows that different people find different things entertaining!

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29 Jun 09, 3:15 PM
Lady_Lucan
UK(L), 4 yrs

spirifer wrote:
In this case, a *direct link* between a horror film and a murder has been shown.

Nope, not a direct link, but a link claimed by the perpetrator. About as convincing in causality terms as 'God told me to kill all those filthy prostitutes'.

All in all a shame for the makers of Severance because it's a fairly amusing film, if half an hour too long. The last line is a classic.

They that love not Tobacco & Boies were fooles.

29 Jun 09, 3:16 PM
mr_Hate
4 yrs

spirifer wrote:

mr_Hate wrote:
<snip> By saying that horror films should be banned because they affect behaviour, it's just encouraging the same idea to then apply to extreme porn.

I haven't said that horror films should be banned.

I am pointing out that in a case where a murder was (extremely tenuously) linked to internet porn, legislation was passed to criminalise "extreme" porn.

In this case, a *direct link* between a horror film and a murder has been shown. So, why aren't the people who pushed for the extreme porn laws pushing even harder for the banning of horror films?

Comments about snuff movies and movie special effects are totally irrelevant, in my opinion.

But it's not a direct link. A direct link would be "we were normal people who didn't want to kill anyone, then we watched the movie and then had the desire to kill the person in the same way". At best, we have inspiration for the method of killing, but even then I wonder how true that is (without that bit, the murderers would be totally guilty, and the media would just ignore the entire thing).

The reality is that most of the people who are against extreme porn are generally also against horror films, and indeed violent films of any kind. The problem is that they lost their argument around 1999/2000 where a lot of films became legal again. Mediawatch-uk were consulted on the extreme porn legislation, and these were the offshoot of Mary Whitehouse's campaign of the 80s. They do want violent films and especially horror films to be banned. Luckily without a high profile murder case that can be blamed on horror films, that legislation is not going to happen. But never say never!

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