Double standards, anyone? (76)

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Mon 29 Jun 09, 1:47 PM
Dylan_Skin
UK, 4 yrs
Reading of this horrific murder really made me wonder about the law in this country.
A young man was killed in the most horrific way, after his killers had watched a horror film and decided to copy the way someone was killed in the film.

The idea for the murder came from the spoof horror film Severance, which Clarke had watched and remarked, 'Wouldn't it be wicked if you could actually do that to someone in real life?', Norwich Crown Court was told.

So where is the outcry from the likes of Martin "I see snuff films" Salter, and his ilk? After all, if an extremely tenuous link between internet porn and the murder of a woman can be talked up into a law criminalising consenting adults, surely there should be immediate legislation banning horror films?
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29 Jun 09, 2:08 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 2 yrs

spirifer wrote:
So where is the outcry from the likes of Martin "I see snuff films" Salter, and his ilk? After all, if an extremely tenuous link between internet porn and the murder of a woman can be talked up into a law criminalising consenting adults, surely there should be immediate legislation banning horror films?
No no no. You see, you don't have to be a pervert to enjoy a good horror film, so they can't be banned, whereas if it's just something that weirdos get off on, then it's fair game. After all, perverts don't deserve the same rights as everyone else!

"If you've got a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul."

29 Jun 09, 2:27 PM
little_miss_precious
UK, 18 mths
I agree completely. these things make me very angry. It's not just the horrible things horror films can lead some people to do but the way others learn to find death funny and for some unfortunate viewers they can have direct negative effects on the person watching too. I, for one, have lost many a nights sleep after being persuaded to watch a horror film, for anyone with tendencies towards depression, nightmares, paranoia ect. they can be very damaging. I still can't work out why anyone thinks they should be leagal, how they benift society in any way at all is beyond me.
it is esspecially hypocrytical when porn can be banned even when the models are shown happy and consenting both before and after while horror is permitted that shows brutal attacks on inoccent, terrified victims with out so much as proof that it wasn't even a real murder, as some horror films are rumored to contain.
Is there any way we can go about getting them banned though? or at least persuading the goverment to bring porn legislation level with horror regulations.
Little miss precious
“Curiouser and curiouser!” said Alice

29 Jun 09, 2:30 PM
MissFelicity
UK(SG), 3 yrs

little_miss_precious wrote:
I still can't work out why anyone thinks they should be leagal, how they benift society in any way at all is beyond me.
Who called the fun police? Jeez.
For those of us who are normal and well balanced they serve as light entertainment and an escape from reality. Perhaps those with a predisposition to nightmares etc should just not allow themselves to be convinced to watch them?
If I don't like something on TV... I just push the off button!
The difference between horror films and extreme porn is that horror films are made with special effects. Extreme porn is made by hurting another human being in many cases.
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Edited 29 Jun 09, 2:31 PM by MissFelicity

29 Jun 09, 2:32 PM
Lady_Lucan
UK(TD), 2 yrs The 'hypodermic syringe model' of media effects is soooooo 50s
They that love not Tobacco & Boies were fooles.

29 Jun 09, 2:34 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 2 yrs

MissFelicity wrote:
The difference between horror films and extreme porn is that horror films are made with special effects. Extreme porn is made by hurting another human being in many cases.
However, part of the problem is that 'extreme porn', under the law, is not defined by what is actually happening in the images, but rather by what *appears* to be happening, regardless of whether it is staged or real. Perhaps more importantly, it is also crucial whether or not it was made for the purpose of sexual gratification.
"If you've got a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul."
Edited 29 Jun 09, 2:37 PM by El_Presidente

29 Jun 09, 2:36 PM
MissFelicity
UK(SG), 3 yrs

El_Presidente wrote:
However, part of the problem is that 'extreme porn', under the law, is not defined by what is actually happening in the images, but rather by what *appears* to be happening, regardless of whether it is staged or real.

The thing is though, most porn studios don't have the budget for realistic special effects do they? In 99.998% (statistic guessed) of images it's going to be causing harm to another human being.
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29 Jun 09, 2:39 PM
DaddysTouch
UK(EX), 20 mths

Well this has turned into an ironic thread.
What men in all the world have shown such daring?

29 Jun 09, 2:39 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 2 yrs

MissFelicity wrote:

El_Presidente wrote:
However, part of the problem is that 'extreme porn', under the law, is not defined by what is actually happening in the images, but rather by what *appears* to be happening, regardless of whether it is staged or real.

The thing is though, most porn studios don't have the budget for realistic special effects do they? In 99.998% (statistic guessed) of images it's going to be causing harm to another human being.
Maybe so, but if it was a record of 'unlawful harm' being caused, then it would already be illegal under other laws, and the new law would not be needed in order to prosecute. If it's only 'lawful harm' or a perceived threat of harm, then I don't see the issue.

"If you've got a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul."
Edited 29 Jun 09, 2:40 PM by El_Presidente

29 Jun 09, 2:40 PM
little_miss_precious
UK, 18 mths

MissFelicity wrote:
For those of us who are normal and well balanced they serve as light entertainment and an escape from reality.
and that right there is exactly what worries me. watching people being brutal murdered and/or tortured, which does seem to be the general theme of these movies, is light entertainment?! please tell me I'm not the only one who sees something wrong with that.
If you want light entertainment whats wrong with all the other films on offer? maybe a comedy, a bit of romance, maybe even a thriller, theres a bit of death for you but with a good helping of plot, suspense and character to take the focus off the multitude of ways one person can kill another. I didnt realise our society would be starved of light entertainment if we didn't have horror films, how foolish of me.
“Curiouser and curiouser!” said Alice

29 Jun 09, 2:44 PM
MissFelicity
UK(SG), 3 yrs

little_miss_precious wrote:
If you want light entertainment whats wrong with all the other films on offer? maybe a comedy, a bit of romance, maybe even a thriller, theres a bit of death for you but with a good helping of plot, suspense and character to take the focus off the multitude of ways one person can kill another. I didnt realise our society would be starved of light entertainment if we didn't have horror films, how foolish of me.
Because I don't find comedy's or romance particularly entertaining.
Do you also think we should ban Stephen King novels? Edgar Allen Poe? Shakespeare?
Most horror films are set in a fantasy word. 28 Day Later in a world full of zombies etc. It's nothing like real life. I don't have dreams of becoming a zombie and ripping peoples heads off. If you mean films like Scream, they're just comedy. They're funny. They're just so utterly ridiculous that you have to laugh.
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Edited 29 Jun 09, 2:48 PM by MissFelicity

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