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The increasing acceptance of BDSM? (57)

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26 Jun 09, 10:55 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 4 yrs

Lady_Lucan wrote:
Personally, I don't give a shiny shite what other people think of my lifestyle.

I do, however, object strongly to the fact that people who dislike my lifestyle can do far more about that than I can about their actions.

It's a conundrum.

That's what you get for being in a minority that's frowned upon, rather than protected by, the prevailing 'liberal' culture.

If we want to not be in such a vulnerable position regarding actual tangible issues like access to employment, then we need to start caring enough about people's attitudes towards us to want to change them.

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26 Jun 09, 10:57 PM
Merrick
ML, 3 yrs

I sometimes wonder if the effort isn't misplaced. Does the acceptability and prevalence of BDSM have much to do with the activists?

26 Jun 09, 10:58 PM
Jahc99
UK, 5 yrs

Merrick wrote:

Lady_Lucan wrote:
Hegemony is not the same as acceptability.

But where exactly lies hegemony?

Between my back gardeny and next doorsery?

I really don't know if bdsm is any more accepted by the hardcore anti-brigade than it ever was. It is more open, more obvious, but as to whether those who are really against have budged one inch, that I rather doubt.

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Edited 26 Jun 09, 11:01 PM by Jahc99

26 Jun 09, 11:04 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 4 yrs

Jahc99 wrote:

Merrick wrote:

Lady_Lucan wrote:
Hegemony is not the same as acceptability.

But where exactly lies hegemony?

Between my back gardeny and next doorsery?

I'm sure the same could be said about homosexuality. However, sometimes he (or she) who shouts loudest gets the most rights/protection. So, while prejudice lives on, at least discrimination can be fought against, which is where I believe activism really comes into play.

"A quote from someone like Sun-Tsu, to make me sound dead clever and cultured".

26 Jun 09, 11:05 PM
Silent_Storm
UK(M), 6 yrs

Merrick wrote:
I sometimes wonder if the effort isn't misplaced. Does the acceptability and prevalence of BDSM have much to do with the activists?

I don't understand the misplaced bit in your post.

The activists are just pulling info in, to make those kind of 'weird practices' more mainstream and legal and acceptable, positive press story's and all of that.

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26 Jun 09, 11:13 PM
Merrick
ML, 3 yrs

Misplaced in the sense of a general societies acceptance of BDSM directly through the efforts of the activists. No doubt they contribute but I'd imagine the biggest contributor being the internet by allowing vanilla people access to such topics regarding BDSM - because ultimately there must be some inherent interest to motivate them to do so.

If activists prevent sites such as this from being removed from public domain? Then they'd more than likely be a greater reason for mainstream acceptability.

26 Jun 09, 11:14 PM
Postboy
UK, 6 yrs

I find that BDsm is very well understood in the vanilla community, but still very Taboo.

26 Jun 09, 11:29 PM
Silent_Storm
UK(M), 6 yrs

Merrick wrote:
Misplaced in the sense of a general societies acceptance of BDSM directly through the efforts of the activists. No doubt they contribute but I'd imagine the biggest contributor being the internet by allowing vanilla people access to such topics regarding BDSM - because ultimately there must be some inherent interest to motivate them to do so.

If activists prevent sites such as this from being removed from public domain? Then they'd more than likely be a greater reason for mainstream acceptability.

There is no doubt that vanilla people do go on websites like this, just to search out sex stuff and other ways to get some sexual kicks.

The activists, just want it legal, we do not get laughed at, mocked, taken the piss out of etc.

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26 Jun 09, 11:34 PM
Merrick
ML, 3 yrs

I reckon anyone interested in BDSM wishes for the same, activist or not. Still, it'd be fascinating to see exactly how mainstream BDSM actually is 100 years from now:

"He's not interested in fetish? What's the matter, is he a fuckin' hetro weirdo or what!?"

27 Jun 09, 12:00 AM
misfit
UK, 3 yrs

Merrick wrote:

El_Presidente wrote:
Much like the inexorable increase in house prices that we all remember (which has now come to an abrupt end), I think it's all too easy to take a trend for granted.

The world (or at least our little corner of it) has generally become more and more liberal and accepting over the last few decades, but that's not necessarily a guarantee that the trend will continue, or that it will apply universally even if it does continue.

Sadly, xenophobia is a base human instinct, and I'm afraid it's far too easy for minorities with a vested interest (e.g. a puritanical government administration) to use fear and xenophobia to turn public opinion in a direction that suits them.

Interesting you mention houses. In the long term, house prices always go up. Sure, a recession may well cause the odd hic-cup, but ultimately they're only going one way. Perhaps like BDSM? I can't see anything long term that might prevent this trend.

Tell some of the people who bought city centre flats outside of London specifically Manchester and Leeds and I do not think they will feel the same way.

The odd hiccup 2.2m unemployed and rising and 80% falls in the above flats.

Back to the OP I am not sure if there is more acceptance. I do not think being wide spread equals acceptance.

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