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| 25 Jun 09, 2:50 PM LadyPandoraCP UK(M), 6 yrs £  |
Several people have made - to me - very valid points. People on the whole go to see a PD because they don't have any other outlet for their "requirements". They entrust a relative stranger with their deepest and most intimate secrets in order to get the most from a session. They are trusting that stranger and therefore - to me - deserve honesty and respect in return, as well as complete discretion. Men and women view matters of sexuality differently on the whole and, if a guy has a desire to session with a female, then that is what he expects to happen. He does not expect to find out during or after that the woman was actually a TG, TV or anything else. TGs, gays, BDSMers, straights, in fact just about everyone all expect their sexuality to be respected ... why should it be different for paying clients? Why should they not have an expectation of honesty and full disclosure when it comes to something so very private and intimate? And why should the onus be on them to ask a question that will, most of the time, never pop into their heads? Why is there such a problem with being honest and up front? If a PD is playing with a client, they expect honesty from them, otherwise the session may well not work; I would certainly expect a client to tell me if they are TG, TV or whatever, so that I could make the experience better for them. Why should clients who, after all, are forking out a fair bit of money, not be entitled to the same? To me, it is a deception and misrepresentation. ETA: I have mentioned PDs as a cover-all word for pro-subs, pro CPers and anyone else who offers similar services.
Some people are like slinkies ... they don't really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs Edited 25 Jun 09, 5:49 PM by LadyPandoraCP | |
| 25 Jun 09, 4:00 PM Mistress_Lady_Julia UK(LN), 3 yrs £ |
very succinctly put. I am actually at a loss to understand why a PD who is a TS TG or TV would not wish to put it on their site. I would hope that if they are not wishing to decieve they would be more than happy to simply put it on there knowing that those who arrive will be aware and so there can be no upset. If however there is an element of 'getting away with it/passing' and this boosting thier own confidence then I do not think it is fair to expect a client to be used in quite that way. I do not say that all TS are doing this, however it has come up in conversation with TG in the past and they described the huge boost in confidence they get when someone is very intimate but still apparently does not guess that they are anything other than a born female. I dont think it is fair to boost your confidence while potentially putting a clients long term well being at risk, as I said earlier I have met someone who was definately negatively effected for a considerable time through no fault of his own. | |
| 25 Jun 09, 7:52 PM wonderer UK, 5 yrs  |
Informed Consent is I guess a principle of this site, not merely it's name. I wouldn't feel informed if I was having a deeply personal and intimate submission session with a person presenting as female but in fact genetically and by upbringing male. It seems to me that this is a pertinent fact. And it seems to me that the onus is on the service provider both as professional and as Domme to disclose that information, since it is clearly relevant to many potential clients. If we lived in a society where 50% of people who present as female were genetically female and 50% were genetically male, then I might think the onus would be on me to ask. On the professional matter, perhaps I'd compare with a barrister rather than a plumber. I'm not interested only in their qualification; it's their experience too which is significant. Perhaps experience built up over most of a lifetime. Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est. http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/226772/ Edited 25 Jun 09, 7:53 PM by wonderer | |
| 25 Jun 09, 10:14 PM faeryboi UK(E), 5 yrs |
I have watched this thread with deep interest and decided to add my tuppence worth, albeit contentious. Now not to point too fine a point on it, i have rarely met a TS who was totally convincing as a female therefore its bloody obvious to the client that the person was or still is a male. I think the client should be told before the appointment takes place thus avoiding time wasting, bad feelings and any other negativity.
You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist.
Indira Gandhi Edited 25 Jun 09, 10:17 PM by faeryboi | |
| 25 Jun 09, 10:39 PM Tara_Red UK(B), 4 yrs £ |
As far as I was aware from Lady P's original post was that we were discussing PD's, pro switches and pro subs in general not just one PD, and my ealier post referred to my clients telling in me how upset they were over TS pro subs. There's a couple of other things to think about, where we've been discussing how upset the male sub could be in submitting to a TS there is also varying degrees of closeness with your domme, depending on the type of session a PD may not remove any clothing at all but others offer more intimate sessions which could leave the sub even more upset? With pro subs often is the case that the girls in question are advertising themselves as girls with photos in lingerie and school uniform and after the male dom has engaged in roleplay or dominating said girl often fondling and touching takes place, whether it be slightly sexual or the use of bondage/clamps etc the dom naturally presumes the girl is a girl and my clients were fuming to find they had booked a TS. One of the ladies has since amended her ads disclosing and it says in her ad that not mentioning it had caused problems. I'm torn - I agree that a TS is a woman BUT I also listen to my clients and they def don't like non disclosure. Whereas lots above have mentioned on here that TS PD's should have a big fan club and shouldn't need not to disclose, would there be the same market for TS pro subs, there's only 1 that I know of that advertises as such. Anyone that works in the sub profession deserves praise whatever their gender. Pro submissive & switch with great dungeon & LOTS of toys! |
