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| 23 Jun 09, 8:27 PM subtler 3 yrs |
My immediate (unthinking) reaction to submitting to a TS has always been pretty negative. But then this used to be my automatic reaction to many other limits that I've since found much pleasure in transcending.  And Lady Lucan's comment has nudged me towards a new perspective. It should indeed be the person that really counts - and if one chooses that person carefully, there shouldn't be any later cause for unpleasant shocks. (I don't mean that you'd therefore avoid sessioning with a TS, but that a more careful decision to submit to a person and not a costume would help to ensure a positive outcome). I've only ever thought of submission in terms of submitting to a "natural born female", but there's really no reason why I shouldn't submit as happily to other individuals, if the connection was there. | ||
| 23 Jun 09, 8:29 PM MistressRouge UK(B), 6 yrs £  |
Maybe explaining, may hinder professional clientele interest, that is why they stay schtum. I dont give a damn either way, I like all trans and otherwise.
However, I can see it being a big deal to some session senario's, however the sluts I see for session would welcome a TS with open mouth lol " The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it. Resist it
and your soul grows sick with longing, for the things it has forbidden
itself"
Oscar Wilde | ||
| 23 Jun 09, 8:29 PM proccie UK(HP), 5 yrs    |
Last time I engaged in a debate about transgender issues I got well flamed, was accused of being transphobic (which I am not) and had wrists gently slapped by Admin. I really don't think that there is an answer to be found on here to the OP's question, though I wish her well in trying. D Zen S&M: The sound of one hand smacking. | ||
| 23 Jun 09, 9:13 PM TVlynn03 UK(CH), 2 yrs |
Anyone who has looked at my profile will notice that i class myself as a TV. Infact i have been under review as a TG for sometime. I always explain to prospective clients that i am a TV/TS. One problem i have,is that due to having a very fem voice,many dispute my gender and think i am female posing as a TV! You cannot please everyone. I cannot vouch for all Pro TV/TG's but i find say most callers are more than happy to try the experience. I look upon BDSM as a chance to experiment, therefore TV/TS's give the oppertunity for true followers of BDSM to try new spheres. After all BDSM is part of lifes learning curve. | ||
| 23 Jun 09, 10:35 PM rockmuncher UK, 6 yrs |
Well, in a professional scene context, speaking as a client, it is my personal decision that I will not session with anyone who is, or ever has been, a male. That is my choice and if I were inadvertently to do otherwise, through non-disclosure of facts by the top or otherwise, then I would not have given my informed consent.
I have a distinct sense of déjà vu about this post but then I haven't changed my opinion in the last couple of months or so. | ||
| 23 Jun 09, 10:42 PM Lady_Anna_Bradford UK(BD), 5 yrs   |
This is exactly my point that there is no reason for TS PDs to hide anything. There is a huge market of clients who would be delighted to session with them so why the secrecy? "If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness | ||
| 23 Jun 09, 11:38 PM CPeccavi 3 yrs |
I think the law covers issues of declaration and fraud. Presumably in the UK they are legally their new gender and don't have to state otherwise. That's off the top of my head, though. I think everyone should like everybody ..... Andy Warhol | ||
| 23 Jun 09, 11:51 PM Subfemmepet UK(NE), 5 yrs |
When I said "surgeon" I didn't mean a gender surgeon LOL! I'm female and always have been The road, may be bumpy , but it still leads us to our destination. Love conquers all, and makes the heart come alive | ||
| 24 Jun 09, 12:17 AM Lady_Anna_Bradford UK(BD), 5 yrs |
Legally they are their new gender but that won't save them from getting a black eye will it?
"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness | ||
| 24 Jun 09, 1:14 AM Intemporelle CA, 5 yrs |
Obviously it does not bother you because you claim that you are 'pretty much entirely' blind to it.. your words 'pretty much' pose a doubt in my mind that you still have to process something about the idea that this person was previously male. And here is someone who says he has had so many experiences with ts' over time. So for someone who never knew that they were in the hands of a ts, but then find out..it is very possible that it can cause a whole range of troubling feelings and emotions. I don't find a client stupid for not having a clue.. how could they know, it is not always that obvious to the eye.. Some ts are stunning women and have all the femininity desired in a woman. However, I have two submissive friends who got seriously disorganised in their minds after the female pro-dom voluntarely disclosed, after a few tributed sessions, that she was born male. In the two cases they never returned to the pro-domme in question and put an end to the communication even though they had really liked this pro-dom for the quality of her work, her mind, beautiful body and for who she was as a person. I think it is an ethical question that the ts pro-domme has to deal with before or after with her clientele..because it seems that it will be known one day or the other..eventually.. Some clients don't want to hire a ts for their own legitimate reasons, should it be their responsibility to ask if the pro-domme was born female? Should pro-doms emphasize on their websites that they are born and genetic females, so the pro-doms that don't could presumably be considered ts's? There are all sorts of ways to market yourselves as pros... I think for some males it could be something they want to know before and not after, it can be very exciting for a client to know she is ts, I'm sure. However, when a ts pro-dom is silent about the fact in the way she markets herself, I wonder if it is a case of getting a lot less business if she would be upfront about it? Come, pluck up a good heart; speak the truth and shame the devil. (François Rabelais) Book V, Author's prologue Edited 24 Jun 09, 1:51 AM by Intemporelle |
