A Moral Question (92)

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Don't you think it is a moral question if the clients feel angry and upset that they have been deceived?

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
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If it is the case that the pro in question lives as a woman, biologically IS a woman, to all intents and purposes, except at the level of chromosomes, then in my view her clients have absolutely no grounds for moral offence.

Your OP implies that these hypothetical chaps on the spanking scene would have to be told, rather than that they would be able to tell, that their spankee had been born male. If they are unable to discern any difference, then where is the problem? The pro has successfully presented as a woman.

There might be more of a case with a pro who was offering sexual services, as I have heard from transwomen and those who love them that there are discernable differences in pheremones and types of biochemical bonding between trans and cis women. However, pheremone compatibility can make or break any attraction, no matter what genes the participants have.

Overall then, my point is that unless the transition is partial or incomplete, the trans woman operating in pro BDSM has no compunction to disclose details of her previous existence.

I am occasionally asked by my clients if other PDs are natural females. Therefore they aren't successfully presenting themselves are they, but instead are causing some confusion and certainly some distress.

Two of the PDs I have been asked about actually are natural females (one is very tall, the other has a deep voice) so that, to me, shows that clients are very wary about being deceived, hence their paranoia about even natural females.

It is also extremely unfair for the client to make a booking, travel, arrive at the destination to then be confronted by someone who either clearly used to be a bloke, or causes some anxiety because during the entire session the client is desperately trying to *not* look at her hands.

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
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Deceived in what way? If they're a woman, then they're a woman ergo no deception. What if a PD has had cosmetic surgery, dyed her hair etc - is she "morally" bound to reveal these facts also because she is not as "nature" made her?

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You can hardly compare apples and watermelons...jeez.

They are not a natural woman are they? It is perfectly reasonable for a client to assume that a female PD is a natural woman. If she isn't natural and keeps it a secret it is deceit, deceit because she knows damn well that the client is assuming she is natural.

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
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Sorry Rosa but my clients were clearly outraged and very upset that the submissive schoolgirl they'd been roleplaying with and had over their laps had been a man. Maybe us girls can't understand that to a bloke this is just not on.

The most upsetting for one was that he'd touched her down there when spanking her bottom and realised how unnatural her pussy was.

Remember that marine who was on that US TV programme who snogged a gorgeous girl and got a massage off her whilst all his jealous mates all egged him on and THEN on live TV she told him she used to be a bloke? He committed suicide did he not?

I have TS friends and to me they are female, I wouldn't be so bothered if playing in a club but I think if I was a bloke and paying for a service I'd be entitled to ask a few questions!

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In general, as in non-pro play, I am pretty much entirely blind to it - so many of my playmates have been trans - I just make sure I apologise in advance because I always get the terminology wrong.

And pondering it, I think that is the 'moral' response, to be blind to it - sounds to me more like a practical question, if people are finding it can be a problem with punters.

And the obvious way to solve the practical problem would be to be upfront, pardon the expression, about it?

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In my sessions I do not perceive myself as 'providing a service' in the way that I understand some service top PDs, and pro-subs, do. I only session with submissives who submit to me as a person first; my sex/gender is secondary.