26 Jun 09, 2:58 PM
spirifer
UK, 6 yrs
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ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
Genie_1 wrote:
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
At the risk of playing Devil's Advocate, how do people feel about those policemen who were 'outted' as being members of the BNP not so very long ago ?
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You can't compare. Being a member of the BNP *would* actually affect your ability to carry out your job, as a police officer, in a lawful way.
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I'm sorry but thats simply not true much as I hate to disagree with you it is perfectly possible to have right wing views and be a Police officer. The whole point is that as long as you don't allow you views or beliefs to prejudice your decision making and the way in which you act you can have whatever beliefs you wish.
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That was kind of the pouint I was making. It's so striking how many people who are outraged about being 'victimised' or 'outed' for their personal beliefs/sexual preferences, are still willing to see others persecuted for theirs.
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Whilst I don't agree with BNP members being forced out of their jobs over their beliefs, I think you are comparing apples and oranges.
My sexuality and what I do in private has absolutely no effect, detrimental or otherwise, on any one else. The only people involved are me and my partner.
OTOH, if the policies that a BNP member supports are ever put into effect, they will have an unbelievably detrimental effect on many of my countrymen and -women.
That's why I think you're comparing apples with oranges. The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
A denizen of a right little, tight little island.
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27 Jun 09, 2:49 PM
TeddyXxBearies
UK(CR), 4 yrs
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spirifer wrote:
ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
Genie_1 wrote:
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
At the risk of playing Devil's Advocate, how do people feel about those policemen who were 'outted' as being members of the BNP not so very long ago ?
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You can't compare. Being a member of the BNP *would* actually affect your ability to carry out your job, as a police officer, in a lawful way.
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I'm sorry but thats simply not true much as I hate to disagree with you it is perfectly possible to have right wing views and be a Police officer. The whole point is that as long as you don't allow you views or beliefs to prejudice your decision making and the way in which you act you can have whatever beliefs you wish.
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That was kind of the pouint I was making. It's so striking how many people who are outraged about being 'victimised' or 'outed' for their personal beliefs/sexual preferences, are still willing to see others persecuted for theirs.
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Whilst I don't agree with BNP members being forced out of their jobs over their beliefs, I think you are comparing apples and oranges.
My sexuality and what I do in private has absolutely no effect, detrimental or otherwise, on any one else. The only people involved are me and my partner.
OTOH, if the policies that a BNP member supports are ever put into effect, they will have an unbelievably detrimental effect on many of my countrymen and -women.
That's why I think you're comparing apples with oranges.
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BUT that is still condoning persecuting people for their beliefs.
Surely, (and this is where I am going with this), once you begin to do that, persecuting them for their sexuality - or anything else - becomes more acceptable It's Better To Be Hated For What You Are-
Than To Be Loved For What You Are Not !
J.x
Edited 27 Jun 09, 3:38 PM by TeddyXxBearies
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27 Jun 09, 6:19 PM
spirifer
UK, 6 yrs
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ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
spirifer wrote:
ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
Genie_1 wrote:
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
At the risk of playing Devil's Advocate, how do people feel about those policemen who were 'outted' as being members of the BNP not so very long ago ?
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You can't compare. Being a member of the BNP *would* actually affect your ability to carry out your job, as a police officer, in a lawful way.
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I'm sorry but thats simply not true much as I hate to disagree with you it is perfectly possible to have right wing views and be a Police officer. The whole point is that as long as you don't allow you views or beliefs to prejudice your decision making and the way in which you act you can have whatever beliefs you wish.
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That was kind of the pouint I was making. It's so striking how many people who are outraged about being 'victimised' or 'outed' for their personal beliefs/sexual preferences, are still willing to see others persecuted for theirs.
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Whilst I don't agree with BNP members being forced out of their jobs over their beliefs, I think you are comparing apples and oranges.
My sexuality and what I do in private has absolutely no effect, detrimental or otherwise, on any one else. The only people involved are me and my partner.
OTOH, if the policies that a BNP member supports are ever put into effect, they will have an unbelievably detrimental effect on many of my countrymen and -women.
That's why I think you're comparing apples with oranges.
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BUT that is still condoning persecuting people for their beliefs.
Surely, (and this is where I am going with this), once you begin to do that, persecuting them for their sexuality - or anything else - becomes more acceptable
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I'm not condoning persecuting anyone. I started my post with the words "I don't agree with BNP members being forced out of their jobs over their beliefs".
But I don't think that you can compare someone consciously supporting political policies, which would see people persecuted because of the colour of their skin, with the outing of people because of their sexuality. The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
A denizen of a right little, tight little island.
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28 Jun 09, 3:10 PM
TeddyXxBearies
UK(CR), 4 yrs
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I'm not condoning persecuting anyone. I started my post with the words "I don't agree with BNP members being forced out of their jobs over their beliefs".
But I don't think that you can compare someone consciously supporting political policies, which would see people persecuted because of the colour of their skin, with the outing of people because of their sexuality.
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-------SORRY, HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE QUOTE BOX THING ------ Sorry, You're quite right about that - My Bad. But I just feel that MOST people have at least one 'out group' which they would be quite willing to see persecuted, be it on the grounds of race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation OR political persuation - whilst at the same time screaming blue murder if THEY feel persecuted.
J.
It's Better To Be Hated For What You Are-
Than To Be Loved For What You Are Not !
J.x
Edited 28 Jun 09, 3:40 PM by TeddyXxBearies
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28 Jun 09, 4:02 PM
revengingangel
UK(SO), 4 yrs |
So when are "The Sun" coming round? You can't be blackmailed if you freely tell everyone like I do, so I'd mess them up the same way you do with Jehovas Witnesses... let them in! I've nothing to hide, I could talk to them in great length about everything for hours and hours and hours. I could show them each of the restraints, and floggers, and gags and... so many things. then we ould talk about them for hours and hours and hours... perhaps I could get them a cup of tea, they could view my porn for hours and.......
While they are listening to some grandpa simpson ramblings, anyone fancy ringing a rival paper to "out" some stalkers who watch people over the internet and show up at peoples doors unnanounced. I think that would shock the public more! |
28 Jun 09, 4:10 PM
revengingangel
UK(SO), 4 yrs |
ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
spirifer wrote:
ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
Genie_1 wrote:
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
ShannonsXxMaster wrote:
At the risk of playing Devil's Advocate, how do people feel about those policemen who were 'outted' as being members of the BNP not so very long ago ?
|
You can't compare. Being a member of the BNP *would* actually affect your ability to carry out your job, as a police officer, in a lawful way.
|
I'm sorry but thats simply not true much as I hate to disagree with you it is perfectly possible to have right wing views and be a Police officer. The whole point is that as long as you don't allow you views or beliefs to prejudice your decision making and the way in which you act you can have whatever beliefs you wish.
|
That was kind of the pouint I was making. It's so striking how many people who are outraged about being 'victimised' or 'outed' for their personal beliefs/sexual preferences, are still willing to see others persecuted for theirs.
|
Whilst I don't agree with BNP members being forced out of their jobs over their beliefs, I think you are comparing apples and oranges.
My sexuality and what I do in private has absolutely no effect, detrimental or otherwise, on any one else. The only people involved are me and my partner.
OTOH, if the policies that a BNP member supports are ever put into effect, they will have an unbelievably detrimental effect on many of my countrymen and -women.
That's why I think you're comparing apples with oranges.
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BUT that is still condoning persecuting people for their beliefs.
Surely, (and this is where I am going with this), once you begin to do that, persecuting them for their sexuality - or anything else - becomes more acceptable
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That said, people aren't impartial. Ever. unless they have no interest or opinion on the subject. You wouldn't put Adolf Hitler in charge of the Middle East peace process for the same reasons as a BNP police office is a bad idea. His personal views are likely to affect his judgement. The views of spirifer don't affect other people. I can think of no situation or job where having an interest in BDSM will cloud her judgement regarding the safety of others, be prejudice towards others, wish harm to some segment of society...... The core values of BDSM are not socially hostile or aggressive, those of the BNP are. |
