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Need a lawer...... (16)

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22 Jun 09, 12:23 AM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

SquireRaglan wrote:
I'd have thought your best bet would be to video the conversation with your client in which activities are discussed and limits are settled, including 'now I'm going to play the video back to you to give you the opportunity to say if anything isn't as you'd like it to be', then video the post-playback discussion "We've played it back" "Yes" "Is there anything you want to discuss further or change?" "No".

Legally it may be no more use than farting into a colander, but in practical terms it may head off complaints stemming from the client "changing their mind afterwards".

Nah. Wouldn't work. Clients are allergic to video cameras. One look at a camera and most are running though your door trying to put their y-fronts and trousers on at the same time.

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
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22 Jun 09, 1:37 AM
Doghouse_Reilly
UK(MK), 6 yrs

Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
SquireRaglan wrote:
I'd have thought your best bet would be to video the conversation with your client in which activities are discussed and limits are settled, including 'now I'm going to play the video back to you to give you the opportunity to say if anything isn't as you'd like it to be', then video the post-playback discussion "We've played it back" "Yes" "Is there anything you want to discuss further or change?" "No".

Legally it may be no more use than farting into a colander, but in practical terms it may head off complaints stemming from the client "changing their mind afterwards".

Nah. Wouldn't work. Clients are allergic to video cameras. One look at a camera and most are running though your door trying to put their y-fronts and trousers on at the same time.

Dude wasn't called Clark Kent was he?

All that is required for the triumph of evil is for Chuck Norris to change sides.

22 Jun 09, 6:54 AM
Ms_Tytania_London
3 yrs
countess_de_jager wrote:
I'm doing what's asked of me.

Do what you feel comfortable doing, not what's asked of you. You are the Mistress, you are in control, you should go home feeling good, not like a vulnerable pawn.

In other words, don't do anything you don't feel sure of, there are more sessions and more subs to play with out there. Nobody is coercing you.

http://www.mstytania.com

22 Jun 09, 12:03 PM
rabbot
12 yrs
countess_de_jager wrote:
Need a lawer......

I have a client. I need to get some kind of contract. I need to be excursed of all responsibility. It's consensual. I'm doing what's asked of me. When he goes home and the reality of what he as asked for comes to the fore. I need to be covered. Can this be done? Please email me.

Thank you

You may need a lawyer but it will probably be for you if you do something illegal and there are serious repercussions. Can't you get your client to be more reasonable instead? :)

'taste the whip, in love not given lightly, taste the whip now bleed for me' Velvet Underground

24 Jun 09, 2:11 PM
topscore
UK(NN), 4 yrs
Tsss.

A contract made for an immoral (illegal) or unlawful purpose is unenforceable at law.

That does not mean, however, that the agreement in itself is without value in the event of a dispute between contracting parties as it constitutes evidence of intention.

Thus, an immoral contract in which one party agrees, for example, to make large gifts of money and the other party agrees to accept that money and be verbally abusive cannot be enforced: neither party can sue for delivery (along the lines "you have contracted to accept my money and verbally abuse me and I seek to enforce that obligation").

Thus also however and following the same example, a party who has entered into a contract in these terms will be in great difficulties in subsequently pursuing a successful suit for damages (along the lines of "accepting your money and verbally abusing you has caused me severe psychological distress").

For a relatively recent (and finely nuanced) case in point see Armhouse Lee Ltd v Chappell -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/sexline...

Certain courses of behaviour constitute criminal activity (not just immoral or illegal) - such as causing anything more than modest physical injury to another. Any agreement to pursue that course of behaviour is irrelevant (except in a negative way as definite evidence of intent) as it is contrary to law, forbidden (just as a contract to buy and sell proscribed drugs would be).

The leading case on this point is the (sad) case of R v Brown and Others (the 'Spanner' case) which remains good law.

Think of it this way: whom do you seek to protect yourself against by entering into the 'contract' you have in contemplation - the other party only or society at large (through the agency of the police)?

If only the former - the individual - then a written agreement may have some value. Any such written agreement cannot constitute protection (no written agreement ever could) however against society at large whose rights (as expressed in statute or through the common law) override any private arrangement.

I hope this helps (and makes sense!)

Top of the world, Ma

25 Jun 09, 7:35 PM
DarkShadows
UK, 3 yrs
countess_de_jager wrote:
Need a lawer......

I have a client. I need to get some kind of contract. I need to be excursed of all responsibility. It's consensual. I'm doing what's asked of me. When he goes home and the reality of what he as asked for comes to the fore. I need to be covered. Can this be done? Please email me.

Thank you

As some of the other replies have said, it comes down to what the contract involves. For most BDSM acts, and especially the more extreme ones, a contract is not going to absolve you of responsibility in the eyes of the law.

Ultimately, if you are not comfortable with what you are being asked to do it seems to be not very consensual. Best to stick with what you think and feel is right for you.

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