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| Doghouse_Reilly |
on Mon 8 Jun 09, 3:28 PM to Doghouse_Reilly's blog.
Place your bets!
Personally I want Gordon Brown to stay as Prime Minister. I want him to stay as Prime Minister but not actually do anything, because that would cause damage. I want him to stay as Prime Minister until such time as there is a general election, and then I want him, the Blairite clique, 'New' Labour and that entire mode of managerial populist politics legitimately destroyed at the ballot box.
I think at the next general election Labour is going to get crushed, depending on events and leadership they may even be surpassed by the Liberals. And I think that crushing defeat is one that Brown, as Blair's anointed successor, should be the one to suffer. Don't pass the hot potato to some other poor sod, hang onto it and burn. That's the only remotely honourable course for Brown now.
But I don't know if the choice will be his to make.
I honestly never thought, after seeing Bush in action, that I could ever envy America for it's President, but damn it I say next time Obama comes to the UK we keep him.
| 8 Jun 09, 3:32 PM LittleMissEvil 4 yrs |
Even if they changed the leadership of the party now it wouldnt do anything. What he needs to do is go see the queen asap and tell her he wishes to disolve parliment and call a general election now, not in 11 months time like it looks like he will do. Finishing 3rd overall and even as low as 6th in some places in the vote should be a big enough mesage that the people want him and his party out. Some people say i am evil, i have no idea why they think that. | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 3:33 PM Twinkletoes 5 yrs |
If he stays I dread to think what more damage he could cause and if he does stay I expect there will be leaks (from within his own party) of various other things we know not about. If he goes now, the public aren't going to put up with another change of labour leader and the press/media are going to have a field day. I would like to bet that there will be a general election later this year. The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had. ~Eric Schmidt | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 3:35 PM striped1 UK(YO), 11 yrs |
But I'm not sure that he has what it takes to withstand the backlash that is already coming his way. He bottled the general election when he had the chance, I can't see him putting up a very good fight against a leadership challenge. | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 3:42 PM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs |
So... Why would he call a general election if he's just going to lose? I shall not feed the trolls, Trolls are the mindkiller, Trolls are the little death that bring forum oblivion. | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 3:45 PM LittleMissEvil 4 yrs |
They pointed out last night on the election coverage, there is no one who is well enough known to go for the leadership before a general election. The big players who are in his cabinate had there opertunity last week to do the whole backstabing thing and stop him forming a cabinet and force a leadership contest. The others have rulled themselfs out. So its only a Vote of No Confidence which the SNP have tabled for wednesday or him to resign and call a general election. Some people say i am evil, i have no idea why they think that. | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 3:53 PM LittleMissEvil 4 yrs |
Well firstly it would be in the best interest of the country to do it, and any one who puts the country first rather than his own job would be wise to do it. Though it needs a 7% swing to the conservatives to get an election win for them and that would only give them a majority of 2. So it would need a mamoth swing to the conservatives to cause a big defeat for him. So like it or not there is a slim chance that he could be returned to office, all though with a very small majority. Some people say i am evil, i have no idea why they think that. | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 3:59 PM Conan_The_Librarian UK(S), 3 yrs |
Brown won't go until he looses the next general election. His pride won't let him. He will carry on muddling through, insulted and humiliated by his own party, the party that not to long ago hailed him as an economic genius and political giant, hoping against hope that something will turn up and save, if not his Prime Ministership, then his reputation. Nothing will. So, we will have another twelve months of Brown spending most of his time trying to hold his party together, distracted, frustrated and increasingly angry and unable to focus on govening the country. I've never spent much time in school, but I've taught ladies plenty, its true I hire my body out for pay, a-hey hey. | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 4:01 PM janusxuk UK(HP), 7 yrs |
Although the Labour party took a drubbing at the weekend, the Tory party didn't do that well either, and certainly wouldn't have the overwhelming majorities of the early Thatcher or Blair years. Many of the Labour party resignations have been about expenses nearly-fraud or personnal ambition. No one apart from Parnell (irc, the guy who went on thursday night) have gone as a challenge to Gordon and the bank bench rebillion has fizzled out for the moment. That being said, I think what you will see is jockeying for position, followed by Gordon being pushed out "to spend more time with his family" over the summer so that at their conference next September they can announce the new leader, on the back of an upturning economy, at a staged managed conference. The move to the right in Europe and the success of UKIP will give Cameron a tricky Tory conference on the issue he's never addressed fully; his stance Europe. The new Labour leader will then call a snap election and it will be a close run thing. I'm no supporter of either of the two main parties but labour aren't dead yet and the tories haven't done enough to make people forget Maggie and Major. Still, while they're fighting it out they can't pass more crappy laws curtailling what we do. Lovetrix summer festival: July 11th and 12th. 6 weeks to go! Edited 8 Jun 09, 4:05 PM by janusxuk | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 4:07 PM striped1 UK(YO), 11 yrs |
It's going to be a long, hot summer all right. I expect there will be clashes on the streets between various groups before too long.
I really hope you're right on that, but I wouldn't bank on it. Brown's lot are as determined as ever to push through the ID cards and database, for example. Edited 8 Jun 09, 4:10 PM by striped1 | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 4:07 PM CookieMonster UK, 6 yrs |
Paddy power I beleive are paying out on him gone by august, I reckon he will be gone after the meeting tonight with labour MP's. Labours equivelent of the men in Grey suits. They should face the electorate asap and I am beginning to understand why the septics were so wound up with bush in charge. |
