| 8 Jun 09, 10:05 AM striped1 UK(YO), 11 yrs   |
Ah, but apparently that would be "letting the BNP in", according to some. That sort of reasoning gives people little room to manoeuvre. In some areas that would mean voting for the donkey wearing a blue, red or orange rosette as usual, voting BNP or "letting them in" anyway by either staying at home or spoiling the paper. I think there are a handful of people who are daft enough to actually believe the BNP spin that they are no longer a racist party (or not quite as racist as they used to be). I'm sure the majority know full well what they are voting for though - and obviously racism is the main "policy" that they like about the BNP because, let's face it, it's a one-issue party. But bear this in mind - back in 1992, the BNP could only muster 7,000 votes nationally. I don't have this year's figures to hand yet but the BNP share of the national vote was several hundred thousand (over 250,000 from Yorks & Humber and the North West alone). Where did all those extra racists come from - did they just appear by magic? I think Hugh Muir explains quite succinctly in http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun... how the BNP were able to exploit a political vacuum that was created by the mainstream parties, particularly Labour:
Some people are still not getting it, as can be seen in several posts on IC. Even now, as hundreds of thousands have turned to the BNP thanks to a Westminster culture that openly sneers at people who would once have voted for Old Labour, they continue to ape their heroes (monkey see, monkey do) and join in the sneering. Such a mentality will only lead to yet more votes for the BNP. Good job, people. So can we have a grown-up discussion, please, about how to win these hundreds of thousands of disillusioned voters back into the fold? The cheapest and most disastrous route would of course be for the mainstream parties to adopt more racist policies - this will only help the fascists gain even more votes, as has been shown in France and other EU countries. To quote Muir again: "The evidence so far is that where there is the option of a protest vote for a party other than the BNP, people are taking it. Some of their grievances are reasonable, some irrational, some based on falsehoods peddled deliberately, but in any event, before these can be addressed, the main parties are going to have to reconnect with those they have left behind. Not just by desperately spouting drivel such as 'British jobs for British workers', but also by working much harder at local level. Mainstream politicians are going to have to win back their trust." | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 10:10 AM Rhoobarb UK(FK), 12 yrs |
I wonder how many of the people who will moan and complain about BNP having enough voters to get seats, have actually voted? On another site I use someone said she doesn't bother to vote as she thinks all the parties are the same. I've heard this said a lot, on here and elsewhere. Apparently they're not all the same or people wouldn't be so outraged about BNP. Maybe if more people voted this might not have happened as even if there are no parties you want to get in, there are bound to be parties you definitely don't want to get in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 1:29 PM HarmCandy UK, 4 yrs |
'Go your ways - And let the people go theirs! Dark ways, to be sure, upon which not a single hope lightens any longer.' I don't buy into politics, it's a load of crap. So I give it a wide berth. But if ever something ill should befall my friends or family [racially motivated or otherwise] then I'll be strolling down the road with a baseball bat. H 'It is the centaur! Chiron, halt! And let me speak with you. You taught and formed, with wisdom, strength and grace, the greatest heroes of a hero-race. In their noblest footsteps you have trod, and lived the hard life of a demigod.' | ||
| 8 Jun 09, 1:40 PM nob0dy UK(PO), 6 yrs |
its POLITICS isnt it? and yes a sad day indeed! i could be anyb0dy i could be nob0dy! if you think this is about you it probably isnt! get a life! | ||
| 9 Jun 09, 7:20 AM wonderer UK, 5 yrs |
Ms Valetine talks good sense as ever, and has similar allegiances to me, though I took a different view on Blair initially, seeing some of his reforms as necessary to making Labour electable. I felt and hoped if he neglected the left enough there might arise a socialist party in the vacuum which would have been interesting. I really question whether labour voters are turning to the BNP; rather they're not voting, The BNP is picking up new voters and in a low turnout they make progress. Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est. http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/226772/ | ||
| 9 Jun 09, 9:06 PM JJBoy UK(SE), 11 yrs |
..........Tony Bliar...a reforming Labour leader...your 'avin a larf 'arnt ya? Do you mean reforming Labour into a bunch of champagne socialists... who claimed to be whiter than white, won the '97 election on that ticket and yet are morally comfortable screwing the system in ways that far exceed the worst excesses of Messrs Hamilton et al. Of course labour voters are voting BNP....'British Jobs for British People' was Gordon Brons jingoistic battle cry to rally Labours' left wing ....and he's let them down too! -the poor buggers are losing their jobs hand over fist in this working class recession. i think id be a bit miffed if my party had dumped me in it and i no longer had a job. What ever happened to that BIG conversation?......they never talked to me? But let us not fret, Mr Bron is listening, so all will be well, we can rest, close our eyes.....as the violins play softly and the camera draws back from a perfect sunset we see cheery workers relaxing in the fields, happy and contented that their leaders are doing them proud, providing them with machinery and grain ..the means of production(british manufacturing under new labour has not grown!)..with infrastructure (our roads and railways are no bettre now than in '97, but hey who's counting) a great education system for their children (well, thank goodness i dont have chidren right now!) eradication of political sleaze and fraud (from labour postal vote fixing to personal expenses fraud -: yawn!) (i could go on, and on, and on, and on), and so that we, the people, (as distinct to the political class who have their own laws and rules) can all know our place and live happily in Gordon Bron's (communist) idyll. A Gordon quote: "a large minority of the british people are in favour of my proposals" so it must be so..... (yawn again)
Edited 10 Jun 09, 1:16 AM by JJBoy |
