Disturbing photographs (98)

You're probably old, intolerant, grumpy or just plain boring.

These violent delights have violent ends and in their triumph die,
like fire and powder, which as they kiss consume.

Well, I have not seen the photographs, but the internet is awosh with stuff that can get used against us. In terms of "The Scene" what I am interested in is the media's representation of us and the hardcore CP stuff usually gets trotted out such as the pics you have seen. Since BDSM is the so called catch all term, umbrella, for lots of different things we are all bound to get labelled as some kind of looney tune when those pics show up.

So instead of recoil or retreat....

What we need to do is to get better at defending ourselves

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Edited 19 May 09, 8:45 PM by Silent_Storm

synd love you've really got to stop being so shy and learn to form an opinion

No colours or shapes
No sound in my head
I forget who I am
Making love is the same as fucking but you slow down and don't call her disgusting names.

She asked though!

These violent delights have violent ends and in their triumph die,
like fire and powder, which as they kiss consume.

But back in the day when i loved a good beating my tolerance was quite high and i loved coming away from a scene with red skin, bruises, cuts, welts and would feel cheated if i didnt!

However....its far to hard to pass judgement on the pics if the op isn't happy sharing the link.

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I've ran out of sick days...so i'm calling in dead

Could be because there is a risk of falling foul of the "extreme porn" laws.

I could be mis-reading what you are saying, and if I am I apologise. However what you seem to be indicating is that these pictures really are 'beyond the pale' and that we should defend ourselves by disassociating ourselves from them.

What I read from that is that you would consider that there is OK mainstream sensible kink that is acceptable, and that such 'acceptable' kink needs to disassociate itself from the 'bad' extreme kind.

Following that line of argument the government would be right in principle in introducing their 'extreme porn' laws, it is just perhaps a question perhaps of discussion about what falls into that category.

In the end it come back to the line that I find my particular kink to be tasteful and acceptable, and of course I have perfect taste so what feels OK to me must be inherently tasteful. But that other person's kink is Ewwww, and feels utterly distasteful and should be banned.

The flaw in this line of thinking is that we are all different and have different tastes, so who are we to dictate what is OK for everybody else.

Isn't there a legal precedent in UK law for that? I'm no law expert, so I'm only posing it as a question, but I'm pretty sure that a past case established that the police can poress charges for assault /ABH / GBH irrelevant of consent. Any of the more activist-oriented people help out on this?

I've seen some piccies I've not liked online. I once saw a spread online on kink.com (or an affiliate) that I really found unpleasant - it was a girl in simple bondage, but to me it looked unpleasantly tight, and her arms looked far too purple to be healthy. I closed the window. Seems to be the only response, is voting with your feet (or rather, finger).

That said, it's difficult to interpret from a couple of stills whether the girls was genuinely in (unexpected or nonconsensual) discomfort; it was probably innocuous. As a viewer, I have no control over her situation though, other than to reduce the web traffic to the host site. Sadly the government/s have little control either; they may pass a few reactionary laws, but we've seen how ineffective and unpopular that can be.

I should add, I don't have anything against kink.com in particular - I just really didn't like one spread. It has rather put me off their stuff though.

I could be mis-reading what you are saying, and if I am I apologise. However what you seem to be indicating is that these pictures really are 'beyond the pale' and that we should defend ourselves by disassociating ourselves from them.

What I read from that is that you would consider that there is OK mainstream sensible kink that is acceptable, and that such 'acceptable' kink needs to disassociate itself from the 'bad' extreme kind.

Following that line of argument the government would be right in principle in introducing their 'extreme porn' laws, it is just perhaps a question perhaps of discussion about what falls into that category.

In the end it come back to the line that I find my particular kink to be tasteful and acceptable, and of course I have perfect taste so what feels OK to me must be inherently tasteful. But that other person's kink is Ewwww, and feels utterly distasteful and should be banned.

The flaw in this line of thinking is that we are all different and have different tastes, so who are we to dictate what is OK for everybody else.

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Just to add to your comments - where would we (or the lawmakers) draw the line? This thread alone highlights how subjective fetish and kink can be, and even the loudest proponents of YKIOK have limits and icks. They'll be different for different fetishes though. Do we let kinksters decide on what level of BDSM is appropriate for pornography or practice? The government? A moral majority? It's a nightmare field, and you can't please everyone all the time, but can it be enitrely deregulated?

I must admit, I find it hard to form an opinion on the censorship of pornography - extreme and otherwise. I simply don't know enough about the dark side of the industry - exploitation of women (never men, seemingly), immigrants, etc, abuse, violence etc, etc. How much of this is genuine, and how much is conservative propaganda? I struggle to have an opinion I can firmly support, when i know so little about the industry.

Edited 19 May 09, 9:40 PM by mancunianspirit