sub/ bottom vs slave... (37)

I am aware of the difference between sub/bottom and slave and whilst, in my intoxicated state, I couldn't elegantly define them here, I am brought to the conclusion that it comes down to a sub still having his/her choices, whilst a slave is restricted to doing anything his/her master/mistress bids.

And I was thinking… There are some things in this world that I love. Truly love. More than myself. More than my life. More than some my friends. More than most of my family. These things consist of:

Karate. This is something I have been doing for over sixteen years. It's something, which, when you start off, most people are passive about, but grow to become fond of. After sixteen years, and the amount of progression I have achieved, I would let neither friend nor family nor Mistress nor Master prevent me from doing. It is my release from daily stresses, my excuse for self-improvement. I can't imagine ever giving it up for anyone.

Best friends. I have few. Three, to be precise. One of which has held this status for over eight years. We connect on a level unlike anyone I have ever met. He doesn't judge me, regardless of what I do or say. He knows when I am hurting (even when I am able to hide it from everyone else) and he knows how to make it better. I love him. In the platonic sense. I was once asked if I believe in “soul-mates”, and I do. Whilst you might not marry them, or be sexually attracted to them, I believe there are people out there who will remain friends regardless. He is one of them and I would sacrifice him for no one.

My cousin, born with Down's syndrome. I have grown up confident that one day I shall be called upon to care for him. He is the one person I love above all others. His innocence, his friendliness, his caring nature. I would never turn my back on him; I will always love and support him, despite those who scorn him. I will defend and protect him, even when all others spite him. I shall never let him go.

So, this is what I ask:

How can anyone be a slave?

I am sure that everyone in this world treasures something that they love above all else, and I refuse to believe that being a slave to someone is this thing. The things we care about more than anything present themselves to us at such an early age, I refuse to accept that anyone would want to or, more importantly, could sacrifice so much if their Master/ Mistress told them to.

Discuss

uhhuh. Both my 2 have children and they take priority over me in their lives - (as in fact does both of their complicated work schedules)

^Thunder^
Owner of my "2 subs in a cubicle" gal rosa and leashed cougar

Edited 17 Apr 09, 7:20 AM by x_Thunder_x

And wouldn't dream of taking away the things that make that slave the very property they desired to own in the first place.

And you wouldn't seek to develop a relationship of that depth with someone who didn't understand, accept, promote and do everything in their power to help you be better at those things, whilst revelling in your service to them. Surely?

Every person, all the events of your life are there because you have drawn them there. What you choose to do with them is up to you. - Richard Bach, Illusions

I think some 'so called' slave owners with a very high state of personal insecurity will want to take their slave away from the world completely and allow them no contact with family and friends, no job, no hobbies but they are in the absolute minority.

Most owners would wish that their slaves/pets live a healthy life, filled with things which promote emotional and physical well being. These things can include sport, friends, maintaining family networks, outside work or interests.

Being a slave means you are owned by another and that should mean you are valued and appreciated by your M-type. It does not mean that you are just some worthless piece of meat they can slowly damage and destroy in every way possible.

Would be slaves should of course use their discretion when choosing to become a slave so they do not find themselves with an inadequate jerk with low self esteem and hidden unpleasant agendas.

24/7 subs and slaves can and do live similar lives, it is only the concept of 'ownership' which separates them.

In my mind, slavery is about that internal feeling that a slave is unable, voluntarily, to leave the relationship. Not that they don't want to, but that they *can't*. As such, I see it as a condition that takes a long time to create, needing long and hard work from both slave and owner to bring about.

In light of that, I work on the belief that by the time someone identifies as a slave, they've been with their partner for a hell of a long time.

Therefore, if their partner wants them to give up stuff that they feel they can't, the relationship will have foundered long before the internal enslavement process is complete.

Well, for a start, just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't mean it's not true. But what if the thing they love above all else is their owner?

And yes, I'll echo Miss Valentine regarding the assumption that an owner will necessarily want a slave to give up their "stuff". I'm sure it happens, and I'm sure there are slaves out there who are willing to. But I doubt it's compulsory, any more than it is for doms and subs or tops and bottoms.

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Edited 17 Apr 09, 9:45 AM by littlenic

So why would anyone bother trying to explain it?

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And in other news, some people refuse to believe the Earth is round...

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Damn. Another illusion shattered.....

This is not proving to be a very good week.

Every person, all the events of your life are there because you have drawn them there. What you choose to do with them is up to you. - Richard Bach, Illusions

When I'm home I'm me but I adhear to creeds and rules.

When Im at His feet I have no say at all.

This is what I need.

I cannot be a slave 24/7, I'd go insane.