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Another teacher scanctioned (91)

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7 Apr 09, 1:46 PM
wonderer
UK, 5 yrs

proccie wrote:
admiring wrote:
I'm quite encouraged that there's a new younger generation (I'm feeling ancient now) - a generation of people now in their late teens / 20s who are pretty open about alternative sexualities, less conventional lifestyles etc.

And there is also a younger generation discovering the appeal of fundamentalism and the power rush that gives. For every parent who reads the Daily Mail there are 2.4 kids brought up on those views. :-(

Yes, sadly that's true. I think mainly among younger people and those with a more scientific rather than artistic mindset, fundamentalist beliefs still have an attraction. Ready-made easy answers to life's difficult questions.

But I think I detect three interesting trends which I believe are deeper and undermining of fundamentlism.

1. Fundamentalisms themselves are (in a painfully slow way) becoming less fundamentalist. (E.g. 30 years ago there used to be many mainstream Christians who used to think marriage after divorce was unthinkable, and that "living in sin" was a sin; these views are now confined to only a the extremes now. Islam also has some liberalising tendencies).

2. As people grow older they become less fundamentalist. And people are living longer, thus undermining fundamentalisms more.

3. Increased communications technology makes it harder for peole to live in bubbles of fundamentalist thought and never be faced with awkward counter-examples.

Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est. http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/226772/

7 Apr 09, 3:40 PM
mr_Hate
4 yrs
admiring wrote:
Yes, sadly that's true. I think mainly among younger people and those with a more scientific rather than artistic mindset, fundamentalist beliefs still have an attraction. Ready-made easy answers to life's difficult questions.

I'd disagree; if anything people with a more scientific mindset are generally against fundamentalist beliefs due to wanting proof and logic. Things which fundamentalism wants to run far away from. You could argue that some people with a more artistic mindset would like fundamentalism due to it providing a more aesthetic view of the world (there's meaning hidden behind the velvet drapes of reality); instead of there just being chaos or void.

But I'd say it's more the kids who don't develop either mindset that are the problem; there's plenty of people who just feed into the lifestyle of going to work, coming home and watching TV whilst slowly inflating over time; and maybe go out on a Friday and Saturday night, get drunk and then start it over again. It's in these nests that fundamentalism provides a release; an escape; a reality where they aren't just wasting their lives.

7 Apr 09, 9:01 PM
wonderer
UK, 5 yrs

Perhaps so. I'm thinking from Christian circles of people who have no literary or imaginative skills and read the bible as though it were a book of Euclidean geometry from which one can prove certain things (and which can't possibly contradict itself). People who see everything in black and white, or want to.

Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est. http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/226772/

7 Apr 09, 9:09 PM
Souci_X
UK(BA), 5 yrs

Well there is no shock about this, I am training to be a social worker and am now considering leaving the course, we had a lecture a few weeks ago about how our personal lives will be scrutanised and can result in loosing your job, I dont want a career that thinks that is ok. Teaching is the same and to me it is a sign of closed minded backward thinking

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things and a good thing never dies"

7 Apr 09, 9:53 PM
MistressLuzie
UK(CA), 5 yrs
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bohnanza wrote:
Her contract may have a clause in it in which she is not allowed to bring her employer into disrepute. Have you read it and can confirm or deny it?

they employed her AFTER shewas voted sexiest teacher And they knew she was a part time model.... f...ing hypocrites as usual

Life is for living and websites are for annoying people www.mistress-luzie.co.uk

7 Apr 09, 10:03 PM
proccie
UK(HP), 6 yrs


MistressLuzie wrote:
bohnanza wrote:
Her contract may have a clause in it in which she is not allowed to bring her employer into disrepute. Have you read it and can confirm or deny it?

they employed her AFTER shewas voted sexiest teacher And they knew she was a part time model.... f...ing hypocrites as usual

That is quite out of order. If she declared it at the start and was open about it, then I would have thought that she has grounds for unfair dismissal is indeed she is dismissed.

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8 Apr 09, 3:43 PM
doulos
UK(SW), 7 yrs
I fear we all have an increasingly confused idea of the distinction between the public and private and people like teachers are going to be hit hard by this change for some time to come.

I don't see an inherent difference between this case and an openly gay teacher, or hell a teacher with a ring on their finger. The only difference is what references to sexuality are considered normal/reasonable and what rights the state will legitimate as a consequence.

There is a complicating factor in that thes state constitutes a near monopoly in educational provision in this country, meaning that who is in charge of a school, and what rules they exist under and what contractual obligations they can put to staff, is finally a political decision. If we had a more diverse educational system, then there would be more liberal schools that supported interesting and open teachers, as well as more conservative ones for parents who wanted it all kept under wraps.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken

8 Apr 09, 10:50 PM
proccie
UK(HP), 6 yrs


doulos wrote:
Good stuff

The position you advocate was a reality until the introduction of the General Teaching Council. The GTC have the overriding decision as who is fit to teach, and in a case like this can make a decision behind closed doors without the teacher having the right to representation of even the right to be present.

Before the GTC it was the school governors who had the right of hire and fire (as long as the teacher was qualified in the public sector). The GTC can rule a teacher unfit to be employed in any sector.

However a case has to be brought to the attention of the GTC, and usually it would be the school governors who would do this. In a few recent cases though it has been the press.

Some schools are more liberal than others, the private sector is traditionally the refuge of those teachers with, shall we say "too much character" to work in the public sector.

The GTC is an unelected quango with no democratic input and should be abolished immediately.

D

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8 Apr 09, 11:00 PM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs

JudyInDsGuise wrote:
Chiefwhip wrote:
Another teacher scanctioned

Natasha Grey - voted sexiest teacher in 2002, has now been suspended, and is facing loosing her job, for some modest lingere photos on the internet.

We have had a well liked teacher from this site hounded from her teaching job for being a DOmme.

The 'morality police' now hound another teacher for photos which many on an average summer beach show more - apparently she can be seen wearing a thong - cue the end of the world!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/03...

I can't find anywhere that says she's been suspended. The link you've provided specifically says "He said Miss Gray had not been suspended but added he felt "let down" by her actions". Do you have a more up-to-date link please?

judy

The article is obviously an advertisement for the school. They have good grades, sexy teachers and a stern head. Good PR all round....

And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!

9 Apr 09, 12:54 AM
eleventh_hour
UK, 5 yrs
I have to admit that I didn't trawl through all 9 pages of this thread so apologies if somebody has already pointed this out. But the article linked doesn't say she has *now* been suspended, it says she has *not* been suspended. i.e. it is a non-story printed as an excuse to show pictures of a teacher in her lingerie.

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