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| 21 Mar 09, 3:08 AM Rosalee UK, 7 yrs  |
Madonna/whore complex. Something I find particularly odious. Lucy has smutty fantasies. Lucy ends up a vampire and then dead. Mina wears a cross, is less open-minded and more virginal than Lucy. Mina is saved. The subject of vampires and (to a lesser extent) the whole 19th Century preoccupation with death was one I was fascinated by when I was in my teens. Subsequent reading and conversations changed the way I view these things. I can't help but think now about the romantic image of the consumptive poet, Wuthering Heights and those poor fallen women of the 19th century. Tuberculosis is not sexy. Haworth around the time of the Brontes was not a very healthy place to live - a problem with the drains led to cholera. Read 'Ruth' by Elizabeth Gaskell for some idea of the plight of fallen women - (you need to bear in mind the time it was written in). By all means have your fantasies but do be aware that the way you may be interpreting images and words of that time may bear little or no resemblance to the reality of the time or the original intention of the artist or writer. Our sexy may have been their way of coping, an expression of their desparation. Edited 21 Mar 09, 3:10 AM by Rosalee | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 3:55 AM DaddysTouch UK(RG), 3 yrs |
It's not rape if they're dead... "I want that cocksucker to send me at least fifty thousand fucking dollars. And if she can't do it, I'll try ten. If she can't do that, I'll try five. But that's it. If you've got a dowry of five thousand dollars, come out here and suck me off and do what I tell you from now on." | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 11:01 AM MsSlide UK(RH), 12 yrs £ |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeir0QZ16gw Murder from the beginning. Speech from 7:40. | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 11:07 AM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs  |
Aww thanks! Now I feel bad I didn't get you anything. Anybody who says truth is stranger than fiction has never seen tentacle porn. | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 11:15 AM MsSlide UK(RH), 12 yrs £ |
Ah, I'm sure you'll think of something... Get YouTubing! | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 11:16 AM just_m UK(BS), 5 yrs |
"(Women) are not just there to be admired, they are there to be enjoyed."--Ellen Von Unwerth | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 11:22 AM just_m UK(BS), 5 yrs |
I guess there is two (and more) ways of looking at art: 1. what did the author want to say, 2. what does the movie, literature, painting, photo mean to me. (3. is the piece a reflection of the time it was written in, 4. text interpretation in itself without regards to author or audience, etc, etc) When does art mean something to you? or do you always need to know what the artist wanted to say? Isn't it all just interpretation after all? I choose to interprete Lucy and Mina sllightly differently, aristocracy (Count Dracula) vs middle class (Van Helsing), science vs nature, restrictive conventions/moral vs anarchical, passionate, carnal chaos...
It's all in the eye of the beholder "(Women) are not just there to be admired, they are there to be enjoyed."--Ellen Von Unwerth | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 11:40 AM MsSlide UK(RH), 12 yrs £ |
True, but of Mina and Lucy, I know who I'd rather be stuck in a lift with. Despite being a member of the predatory undead, Lucy still seems a lot more fun to be around than her annoying friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Westenra#Moder... | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 12:04 PM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs |
Yeah but then she totally kills your face off. Which is a big downer if you had plans for the weekend. I think in the specific case of Dracula a lot of all this fairly misogynistic undertone is explained by the fact that Stoker's personal life was such a mess. I think I read that a woman he was infatuated with was in love with somebody else (may have been Oscar Wilde in his closeted days but I'd have to check) and nothing sharpens the puritan edge to a man more than female rejection. Anybody who says truth is stranger than fiction has never seen tentacle porn. Edited 21 Mar 09, 12:05 PM by Doghouse_Reilly | ||||
| 21 Mar 09, 12:35 PM blacksheepboy UK(CR), 4 yrs |
Death, or the danger of it is definitely one of greatest aphrodisiacs there is. Google produced this interesting article, from the Encyclopedia of Death and Dying, no less. It mentions the well-known example of the male preying mantis, whose head is bitten off by the female, although this does not stop him from copulating. Indeed, I suspect it only excites him further: for us males, decapitation is only a minor injury, a mere flesh wound, and scarcely an impediment to a good shag. Our more vital organs are elsewhere. I believe the crowds at the Colosseum in Rome were treated to sex shows in between bouts of gore, and it all served to stir their libidinous appetites. (I can't find a good original reference for this right now, but maybe someone can help me out). Eros and Thanatos have always been incestuous twins - a fact which our modern culture tends to repress. * edited for dodgy grammar What's the point having cake, if you can't eat it? Edited 21 Mar 09, 12:37 PM by blacksheepboy |
