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| 19 Feb 09, 1:57 PM MasterLovesRope UK(NG), 3 yrs  |
We have both indulged in tying each other up for a while but never really got into the scene as such. We did however pluck up the courage to go to a couple of peer workshops, we had a great time apart from when somebody pointed out that our rope was too thick (in his eyes). As a newbie and knowing the person was very experienced it wasn't the most helpful comment, and to be honest we haven't got round to going to another event since. My point I think is that it is that alot of what is being is discussed is semantics but it can affect peoples involvement too. We had just until that point pleased ourselves, and continue to do so now, but it was this idea that there has to be certain way to do things, and we weren't in on this made us feel a little excluded and less than welcome. I understand it was not meant to upset us but it can take some courage to get along to your first event and we didn't find the comments helpful. | |||
| 19 Feb 09, 2:28 PM Jahc99 UK, 5 yrs |
Crazy, isn't it?
Love being tied in it too, of course! I'm still very ambivalent about the public stuff, lots of reasons. Guess the main one is my own fault for yabbering online so much - people want to watch whatever it is I am gonna do, and nothing makes the mojo go and hide like being scrutinized. That and I've never seen any club as well equipped for rope as my front room, or the dungeon. Plenty hooks in the ceiling and walls, my music, plenty of time to try the latest daft idea, change my mind and do something else. I'm not one of those who can do complicated stuff from cold, to order, sort of thing. A good rope sesh lasts all night, or all weekend, given the chance. It takes me a while to really get cooking. Why poison your liver when I could eat it for you? | |||
| 19 Feb 09, 5:29 PM Mac_rame UK(E), 12 yrs |
I predominantly only use my yellow rope, as a result I know fairly well what I can and can't achieve and I know how it will behave inside out.
Didn't stop some people telling me it was too thin Each rope you use will have certain characteristics, and all have pro's and cons for the job in hand.
Thick rope can be stiffer, won't conform to smaller objects as well, can be harder to knot and makes bigger and harder knots, important if the subbie has to lie on one
Conversely it spreads the load better so good for suspension, is aesthetically more pleasing to the eye on larger subjects, when doing decorative work is easier to see the pattern for those with poorer eyesight The Japanese tortoise shell style of Karada is pretty pointless unless you use thicker rope because the flat of the tortoise shell segments top and bottom requires the two ropes to make a proportionate flat section to match the two side ones of the hexagonal pattern.
Unless of course you make hundreds of little buggers all over the body but then you're just showing off Learn to know the characteristics of the materials you use and understand what you can and cannot do with them safely.
As you can see from Jahc's pictures there's no such thing as too much rope Wayne
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| 19 Feb 09, 6:20 PM MarcusStrapp UK(CB), 7 yrs |
Lots of good stuff raised in this "thread". For me, I decide from quite early on that I was more interested in pursuing my own sense of aesthetics rather than being concerned about slavishly adopting elements from an alien culture. My aesthetics are going to be more informed by western influences. I'm definitely more Ealing, England than Adachi, Japan. Ropework for me is about creative expression (and I do not have anything Japanese that I wish to express) and most importantly, communion with the person I am tying. To be honest, I am far more interested in the woman, than I am in the rope.
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| 19 Feb 09, 6:55 PM Jahc99 UK, 5 yrs |
That's a damned good read! Thing is, rope bondage is a big enough thing for all sorts, from those who like the traditional to good old fashioned fuck bondage, and I just can't bring myself to call a shag a kata! Why poison your liver when I could eat it for you? | |||
| 19 Feb 09, 8:32 PM Sirebel UK, 5 yrs     |
I don't really care as long as the end result looks pretty. I want to get back into rope work but it requires so much time, not just in the learning but in the doing. I've become lazy in my old age. I do try and understand the 'correct' terms for things to ease communication but I'm no snob, a knot is a knot. However, it does sound so much sexier using foreign words but then I'm shallow like that. I don't know what's right and what's real any more | |||
| 19 Feb 09, 9:54 PM Esinem UK(SE), 12 yrs |
jahc, you mentioned pulling thru the minimum amount of rope. Try using a doubled length which is twice the span of your outstretched arms. Spookily, this will come out 7-8m, which is the std kinbaku length. You will find that you can pull it thru in one movement. I forget who mentioned 'shinju' but this, along with stuff like 'sakuranbo', are made up by Westerners and are not kinbaku ties. Overall, we seem to be pretty much in agreement, i.e. some folk don't give a monkey's what their style is called, others think where terms are used they should be correct. Seems reasonable to me. For anyone who wants to go beyond the superficial 'knots and restraint' level, you might find this article interesting: Bondage for people, not parcels A major benefactor to depraved young women in restricted circumstances. | |||
| 19 Feb 09, 10:34 PM Jahc99 UK, 5 yrs |
Of course, and really glad you understand that rant of mine wasn't aimed at you, but a more general thing. I object to the dilution of the stuff you are exploring, and teaching, as much, maybe more, than the way people seem to insist on japanese to talk about bondage fusion. I really like the idea of keeping the old ways active and alive, undiluted - we'd all be impoverished if that was lost. These things, rope lengths and pull throughs, I know well enough, in fact I can't remember not knowing them, it's kind of instinctive. I often do a 100', 200' of rope with no pull throughs at all. Or I'll do a pull through on a 20m rope, but only after I've already used 3/4s of it on a body harness thing. The methods I, and countless other people have developed for themselves make strictures about the length of a 'proper' rope useless, and rather purile. If someone says to me I have to use a rope this or that long to call it shibari, I'll say, ok then, I won't call it shibari. I'm cool with that. And I'll use any damned rope I like, same as always. Far as I can recall, I've never called my ropecraft shibari - this really isn't my problem.
That doesn't surprise me! That's exactly what I was talking about. Bodger I may be, but I can see the point, the grace and the beauty, of the traditional forms - the terminolgy that goes with it should stay with it, and not get mixed up with other things. Apart from anything, I find the way the terminology is routinely abused really pretentious, and deeply farty wank. I tell you, the next person that calls me Nashiwari is gonna get a slap! Big one.
I read that many moons ago, and I remember thinking,'Yup! That's describing me too. I want to meet the guy that wrote that' I still haven't! Why poison your liver when I could eat it for you? Edited 20 Feb 09, 12:01 AM by Jahc99 | |||
| 19 Feb 09, 11:01 PM music_lover UK, 6 yrs |
I've now got a vision of a long line of masochists all shouting the same word :D God invented Guinness so I wouldn't rule the world | |||
| 20 Feb 09, 1:48 AM MoonlightShadow BE, 6 yrs |
I propose that sometimes both can be approached in a rather similar way, which is rather different from what one would usually assume about parcels. Have a look at this burgundy-coloured object; you might get an idea of what a parcel is to me. I intend to upload more pics of some other projects I've been enjoying in the near future, as I feel parcels are unfairly and grossly ignored, and someone's got to do something about it...
Shadow, incurable parcel fetishist
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My rope boxes contain stuff from twine to about 14mm diameter. I actually really like using the thicker stuff ==>>
and because the pattern of the rope fibre is more pronounced it does leave some very pretty marks in the skin afterward
