BDSM orientated 'sleep deprivation' (55)

Has anyone ever used sleep deprivation techniques during a prolonged BDSM-esque scenerio? What methods did you use and what results were gained? If you haven't experienced this as part of a scene, what are your thoughts on it? Would you want this control over you or would you consider inflicting this on another?

From my own personal professional experiences (non-kink and non-civilian), sleep deprivation is nothing short of torturous! Having a few nights of bad sleep is nothing compared to this...sleep deprivation changes the whole of reality as you struggle to grasp hold of what you understand. As I sat here weary eyed and reminisced of times of controlled sleep deprivation, I suddenly thought, 'Hmmmm, sleep deprivation in S&M/BDSM?' This certainly WOULD be edge play!

Thoughts?

PK.

"I'm just a bloody normal bloke. A normal bloke who likes a bit of torture" Mark 'Chopper' Read

Edited Sat 14 Feb 09, 12:31 AM by Pierced_Knight

My experience of sleep deprivation is it affects my mental and physical health, and is not easily recovered from. Once my sleep patterns are disturbed, the other person could not 'control' the situation so normal rest was restored quickly.

Also, wouldn't the one in control also be sleep deprived to make this happen? That could leave them in a state where they couldnt maintain control adequately!

'Pervert'? She can't even spell it!

No F**kin' way.

I will push people to limits of physical endurance, for sure, and that can involve a certain exploitation of tiredness, when they think they cannot take any more, and then they do. Keeping them going for 36, maybe even 48 hours, that's endurance. That's one thing.

But serious sleep dep, no way.

High levels of sleep dep make people suggestible to crazy ideas, vulnerable to psychosis, too, I think it is potentially exceedingly dangerous. That's 'over the edge' play, not good.

I thought about this quite hard a while ago - a guy who insisted he had had SAS training and wanted to use it on his girlfriend, and wanted me to mentor him through it. Turned out he was full of shit, he'd been as close to the SAS as my cat.

Besides, to do it safely, I'd have to stay up for days as well, and I like my ZZZ's!

Why poison your liver when I could eat it for you?

Edited 13 Feb 09, 11:49 PM by Jahc99

I am afraid that I have nothing to add to the thread except to say that I enjoy the thought of sleep deprivation as part of BDSM but have not used this so far. I have no doubt, as others will say, that it could turn out bad or be a bit too edgy/irresponsible for many but it is a very interesting idea and I also will look forward to experiences shared by others of it.

Edited 13 Feb 09, 11:48 PM by teufel_tanz

It is.

But then, so are many of the activities carried out in the broad spectrum of BDSM.

I, and at least a few scene others that I know, are professionally experienced in this field. I've never used this in BDSM but I know that I happily *could*. I wouldn't be happy to watch a complete f**kwit attempt knife, needle or breath play because it's...potentially dangerous! But people do it succesfully. Some aspects of D/s play are potentially mentally dangerous, but some people do it successfully.

SSC, RACK and all that mallarcky..the OP is aimed at the presumption that the sleep deprivation scenerio be conducted with safety in mind. Just like any other Day 1, Week 1 consideration.

PK.

"I'm just a bloody normal bloke. A normal bloke who likes a bit of torture" Mark 'Chopper' Read

There are much easier and less potentially mind destroying ways to get into similar zones. And I can't imagine myself undergoing serious sleep dep without withdrawing consent, and meaning it.

I may be wrong, but there you go.

Why poison your liver when I could eat it for you?

So you don't like the idea eh? lol

I know more than just a little bit about this topic which is why I am putting it out to the floor for discussion.

A positive post anyone?

PK.

"I'm just a bloody normal bloke. A normal bloke who likes a bit of torture" Mark 'Chopper' Read

However, it's a very good technique to manipulate someone. Let's face it, the SAS use it for a reason! Throw some white noise in and it's even more of a headfuck! lol

Personally, it's pretty much a hard limit. I get really emotional through lack of sleep, and turn into a wobbly mess. I probably could deal with it, but wouldn't choose to. Hell, the hallucinations when working shift are bad enough!

"Bottom line: it's couples who are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time."

The impression of keen whips i wear as rubies...

I wouldn't do more than 3 days maximum 4 at a push, that's about how long it takes with me for things to start getting *really* weird.

By really weird I mean everything was covered with a field of psychedelic coloured patterning like a filter behind my vision, my mind was in tatters barely able to string thoughts together, pondering all kinds of things I'd really rather not. I'd continually slip into my own mind into completely fabricated recursive realities utterly unable to keep track of what was "real" and what was not.

I wouldn't recommend it but if you're going to do it I'd consider that you're upper limit. It can really drive you to the edge of insanity and indeed over it in my case. It was ~6 months until I felt sane again, a year now for the residual issues to subside.

Edited 14 Feb 09, 10:30 AM by Mistress_Maud