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| Doghouse_Reilly |
on Wed 11 Feb 09, 6:36 PM to Doghouse_Reilly's blog.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7884121.s...
The story is something of an irrelevance, some Tory prick changed wikipedia to make a statement by Cameron 'correct' after he'd made it and been wrong. It's a trivial matter, in fact it's a massively trivial matter. Yet somebody in Tory HQ felt the need to change wikipedia just for the sake of that.
Labour went to shit fast, no doubt about that, but how am I, a bloke who is open to being persuaded to vote anybody but Labour to get revenge against the current mob, supposed to be sold on a party that will deceive people in such a way just as casually as that. It's that sort of basic level of dishonesty, the capacity to lie without even breaking stride. It repulses me, and worst of all it seems to be endemic in our political system, fuck in all political systems. Even that walking virus Mugabe lies to his people, a man who has no qualms about mass murder, still feels the need to bullshit people as well.
If there is a point beyond cynicism I expect to hit it pretty soon at this rate.
By the way I'm aware it probably wasn't an elected politician that made the alteration, but I consider the whole team of party hangers on, as well as the MPs themselves to be politicians.
| 11 Feb 09, 6:38 PM electricfog UK, 7 yrs |
You can always tell when a politician is lying - his lips move. | ||
| 11 Feb 09, 6:44 PM IceButch 8 yrs |
"We're are war with EastAsia, We've always been at war with EastAsia" (George Orwell 1984) 25 years on. If the truth doesn't fit the reality, change the truth... IceButch Gone.. Edited 11 Feb 09, 6:46 PM by IceButch | ||
| 11 Feb 09, 8:01 PM CookieMonster UK, 6 yrs |
in my experiance they are worse regardless of party.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kTsPehGscVY | ||
| 11 Feb 09, 8:21 PM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs |
I think you're probably right, because they are least likely to have been brought into the process by any sense of idealism. Anybody who says truth is stranger than fiction has never seen tentacle porn. | ||
| 11 Feb 09, 8:41 PM mq1965 UK(DA), 8 yrs |
It's not just politicians, though. They just reflect the society they live in. One where image and appearance has come to seem all important. Where someone who lies on his CV can win The Apprentice. Where it is seen as a bit clever to exaggerate missing property on an insurance claim. Where people are encouraged to put a positive 'spin' on their CVs and even (horror of horrors) on their profiles on dating sites. Companies produce glossy reports highlighting and exaggerating all their successes. People who point out problems (especially politicians) are castigated for thinking negatively or making 'gaffes'. Can we really be surprised that the people who represent a society where the truth and honesty are no longer seen as important, maybe even seen as weaknesses, have the same casual attitude to them? | ||
| 11 Feb 09, 8:52 PM Eomer_Of_Rohan 5 yrs |
Wikipedia references this site: http://www.titian-tizianovecellio.org/biography.... "No one is sure of the exact date of Titian's birth; when he was an old man he claimed to have been born in 1477 in a letter to Philip II, but this seems most unlikely. Other writers contemporary to his old age give figures for his age which would equate to birth-dates between 1473 to after 1482, but most modern scholars believe a date nearer 1490 is more likely" and... "Titian was approximately 90 years old when the plague raging in Venice took him on 27 August 1576. " It's interesting how two people can read different things out of the same bit of information and then argue against each other. "Honesty is the most offensive thing in the world." | ||
| 11 Feb 09, 9:05 PM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs |
But hasn't this always been the way though? For example people talk about the BBC being fishy leading up to the Iraq war, but history has shown they probably didn't make a single honest news report throughout the entire second world war. Long before that there was political spin, propaganda, cover-ups and scandal. The history of the USA in particular is notably littered with spin and deceit, in its internal politics almost as much as foreign affairs. The history of religion as well, I mean hell that shit is all based on lies to start with, but there's a long history of dishonesty in the Church, hell in almost any church. The difference I think in the old times was perhaps that because society was that much more violent there was more of an emphasis on violence as a means to an end rather than the modern need to sell the lie. In the old days might did make right. I do wonder if perhaps honesty might be due for a comeback though. I think people do tolerate shortcomings if a person owns up to them and is honest. I just wonder how long it will be before somebody actually tests this theory though. Anybody who says truth is stranger than fiction has never seen tentacle porn. | ||
| 11 Feb 09, 10:27 PM Swiper 5 yrs |
That's the controlled media for you. The propaganda has reached spectacular heights of achievement because it serves the government rather than the ones who it should be serving: the people.
By definition, both the UK and US are democracies. But that all depends on what 'type' of democracy both countries have: a spectatorship? Or a participatory democracy? We're obviously living in the former because we all seem to have a seriously nasty habit of continuously electing the less than 2% of the population that make up the social elite who promise us this, that, and the other simply for the one thing that actually makes no difference to us (the vote) because no matter which party you vote for you get the same shit over and over. A solution to this is if the whole of the democratic public (do you know, for a moment there I genuinely almost typed 'republic' instead of 'public'!) were to finally get organised so that we can try and bring about a democracy in which we are all participants with a government that really is for everyone because it's by everyone instead of sitting on the sidelines with no real power past the vote. |
