Grrrrrrrrrrr indeed! (6)

Something you could do with taking on board.

Sweetiejar
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That would include fascists as well.

But real intelligent people know who and what to challenge.

Something you could do with taking on board...that is unless you're completely blindsided by the regimental nature of indoctrination.

I havent been indoctrinated, I accept that there is no evidence to support my belief in God, but by the same token there is no evidence to disprove it either. You cant say there definately isnt a God and I cant say there definately is. Its down to our belief.

You are very welcome to yours, please dont infer that I am less than intelligent because my view differs.

Sweetiejar
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Having an opinion is one thing, having private facts is quite another, especially if people demand that they be respected. One of the prevailing reasons why people think Nazis should be allowed their freedom of beliefs is so that others who are just as maniacal can have theirs as well. That would include the religious.

Whenever these opinions have social relevance to everyone else, not only do they NOT have the right to protection from criticism, but they also do not have and never should have claim over other people's freedoms, which is precisely what both oppressive ideologies possess in their arsenal.

Your comments are very typical of someone who is either a simpleton or someone who is indoctrinated. And indoctrination is not always a religious but can and does, many times over, mean cultural indoctrination. You may deny both, but you obviously don't mind the prospect of indoctrination of others. And that hints so painfully the obvious that you yourself must have been indoctrinated as it's a typically repeated behaviour.

Anyone who asserts anything is the one who has to provide evidence of such an assertion otherwise it must remain a private belief/spirituality. The way the majority of people behave is not in keeping with that sentiment. I don't need to provide evidence of the non-existence of god in much the same way that you don't have to provide evidence of the non-existence of something that you don't believe in. The onus for proof/evidence IS on those who make assertions of something. If they cannot keep their beliefs to themselves then everyone else has the right to jump on them.

You believe without evidence that there is a god. That by definition is a belief/faith. My position is not a belief because I choose not to believe in a god simply because there's no evidence for such a thing and not on the basis of a faith that he's not there. That is not in itself a belief in much the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

It's the reason why they differ that could prove to be problematic.

To infer intelligence from religous beleifs is about as silly as it gets, same goes for political beleifs imo.

Btw I'm an athiest.

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I think the whole point of all of this is that many people (the vast majority of the whole of humanity) are too willful in wanting to subscribe to a belief system, whether they be religious or political. I have heard countless tales where people are constantly on the lookout for enlightenmnet and assume only religion/spirituality can do that and never presume to think that living a life with no religion could ever be an option. It's obvious the comfort that people get from religions, it doesn't prove that their beliefs have any iota of truth to them though. When such beliefs mix with politics then we have some serious problems. Top that off with the inability to reflect critically outside of this theistic bubble and the problems escalate.

It's almost always entirely impossible for peoples' religious beliefs to never affect others.

I've often heard similar sayings that without religion we would never have great aesthetic works of art like the Sistine Chapel et al. This is simply not true. Religion can inspire people to do great things but without religion artists would inevitably create great works of aesthetic beauty from some other source of inspiration. Religion is actually irrelevant.

Serious evil, on the other hand, seems to be directly caused by dogmatic beliefs, both religious and political.

That is the reason why I am critical of everything and NEVER subscribe to any belief. There's no need. I get a lot of accusations from both the Right and the Left that I am either a "Left-wing PC-riddled twat," or a "Right-wing, conservative intolerant arsehole."

All amuses me.