Posted by JudyInDsGuise on Mon 26 Jan 09, 12:55 PM to JudyInDsGuise's blog.
What does "informed consent" mean to you? I don't mean the site, I mean the concept. To me, it means having enough knowledge to make a choice...whatever "enough" means to the individual, and whatever the individual decides that "choice" may be. It doesn't matter that a third party thinks someone doesn't have enough knowledge, or that they've made the right choice - you can't force consent on to someone, and it's entirely up to them what they do with any knowledge!
There have been some threads on here that make me think my definition isn't the same as everyone else's though - a recent one about 'depression' included many posters stating that those who didn't agree with them were "ignorant" (based purely on their *choice*), and now this thread sees posters implying that those who want the *choice* whether or not to agree with what the site owner agrees with should leave - so much for exchanging views, huh? ;o)
So, what does it mean to you?
judy
| 26 Jan 09, 1:03 PM spirifer UK, 6 yrs  |
Aren't you asking the wrong people? I mean, if Admin has signed IC up to the CAAN statement of principle, shouldn't you be taking this up with Admin? I don't know if any of the rest of us can really help you? If the owner of the site signs the site's name up to something you disagree with, and you decide to stay on the site, haven't you already made your informed decision? The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau | ||
| 26 Jan 09, 1:11 PM JudyInDsGuise UK(E), 9 yrs |
Why would I ask Admin what the phrase "informed consent" means to anyone else? Of course, Admin is free to leave Admin's view should Admin wish to (gawd, this is complicated!) judy
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| 26 Jan 09, 1:17 PM JudyInDsGuise UK(E), 9 yrs |
Yes, but have I got my definition horribly wrong? judy
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| 26 Jan 09, 1:19 PM Lee_Van_Spunkenfrick 3 yrs |
it doesn't mean anything to me ... i've never even given it a moments thought until now. so i just gave it a moments thought .. and i think its safe to say that i don't care ! all for one and fuck the rest | ||
| 26 Jan 09, 1:20 PM JudyInDsGuise UK(E), 9 yrs |
LOL that's what I mean - you got *enough* information to make a *choice* :o) judy
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| 26 Jan 09, 1:23 PM Lee_Van_Spunkenfrick 3 yrs |
what information should i have to make a choice about what ? all for one and fuck the rest | ||
| 26 Jan 09, 1:23 PM spirifer UK, 6 yrs |
I was, of course, referring to the thread you specifically linked to in your blog, and trying to be helpful on that particular part of your blog. To me, "informed consent" means making a decision when in full possession of all relevant facts. Or even, sometimes, making a decision knowing that you aren't in possession of all relevant facts - like playing with a relative stranger on a first meet. And maybe even in other situations - I must have a ponder.
Yes, it is complicated! The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau | ||
| 26 Jan 09, 1:29 PM Backdooruk UK(BA), 12 yrs |
I think you are making a false identification. If I read the daily mail I contribute to its editorial weight (in, for example, it's campaigns) whether I agree with the editorial line or not. My informed consent in that case is reading the paper knowing this. If you don't want to add to editorial weight of IC your only choice is not to. IC is not a democracy. - Chris Afh yenems tukhes is gut sepatchen. | ||
| 26 Jan 09, 1:32 PM JudyInDsGuise UK(E), 9 yrs |
I think that's an important distinction you've raised there! Is "knowing that you aren't in possession of all relevant facts" important? Or can you make an informed choice based on the information you have (rather than all the information that exists). My view is that we will *never* fully be aware of all the facts surrounding *anything*, and it depends on what *I* consider "relevant" as to which facts I will investigate further. For example: If I'm taking medication, I don't investigate the methods used to make that medication safe - I work on the knowledge I have, the circumstances I'm in, and the probabilities that the medication will make me (feel) better. From *that* information, I make my informed choice. judy
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| 26 Jan 09, 1:35 PM JudyInDsGuise UK(E), 9 yrs |
Could you explain why reading a newspaper contributes to it's editorial weight and/or campaigns? Obviously, the readership adds to the advertising revenue which may (or may not) be used to support campaigns, but if you find a newspaper on a train does that also apply? judy
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