Warfarin advice needed please (56)

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Tue 23 Dec 08, 10:22 AM
Tara_Red
UK(B), 3 yrs
£
I have a lovely fun gentleman client in his early 70's who's just had a mild heart attack 2 weeks ago who is now taking Warfarin.
He can't wait to get back to spanking my bum but he likes to switch and receive spanking, paddle and cane.
He's seen advice on spanking forums about not doing anything as he will bruise badly and others saying it's fine.
I would appreciate some advice please from experienced pro dommes out there who have similar clients, I only switch occasionally and have little experience of whacking older gentleman (though I am accurate).
How much can he take if anything? And obviously don't get him too excited!

23 Dec 08, 10:46 AM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 3 yrs
£
To my knowledge I haven't had a client on Warfarin so I can only share what I have read.
As you know Warfarin thins the blood to prevent clots. One of the side effects is unusual bruising. This means purely by having thinned blood he may bruise, so to spank or paddle him means he would most probably become an almighty mess very very quickly. Add that to his age where his skin will be thinner due to reduced collagen, he is more likely to bleed, if he bleeds he may take a very long time to stop.
I would suggest a big NO to caning and paddling. It's too risky. Possibly try some light spanking and see how it goes...
The old boy has to accept that he can't partake in this sort of activity on that sort of medication
Be careful.
ETA: After a bit reading I'm even more reluctant to suggest anything but a NO for any sort of impact play. A side effect of taking Warfarin is blood in the urine and stools. Any sort of impact play could increase the possibility of this happening but you won't see the effects of what is occurring inside the body, only on the outside.
"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
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Edited 23 Dec 08, 10:50 AM by Lady_Anna_Bradford

23 Dec 08, 11:00 AM
Mistress_Keene
7 yrs
£
Tara_Red wrote:
Warfarin advice needed please
I have a lovely fun gentleman client in his early 70's who's just had a mild heart attack 2 weeks ago who is now taking Warfarin.
He can't wait to get back to spanking my bum but he likes to switch and receive spanking, paddle and cane.
He's seen advice on spanking forums about not doing anything as he will bruise badly and others saying it's fine.
I would appreciate some advice please from experienced pro dommes out there who have similar clients, I only switch occasionally and have little experience of whacking older gentleman (though I am accurate).
How much can he take if anything? And obviously don't get him too excited!
I have had subs who enjoy CP but are on warfarin. I can only pass on what they said they were told by their medical advisers.
I would say that one does have to be careful. Both subs I am thinking of had been told to avoid unecessary bruising of any kind so obviously indulging in CP is going to be a little more problematic than it might otherwise be.
If the sub understands that leaving marks which bruise or are likely to bruise later is out, then it is just a matter of seeing what choices are left. One is to use any implement but only use it lightly. hand spanking is okay but still can bruise the bottom of one on warfarin so keep checking the state of the buttocks after each spank or two. Using implements through clothing will help soften the blows but again constant checking of the spanked area is necessary.
My definite memory is that I used a wet tea towel placed over one sub's bottom and caned lightly to moderately through that and it seemed to be fine.
"One half of the world cannot understand the pleasures of the other" Emma ( Ch 13) Jane Austen 1816

23 Dec 08, 11:11 AM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 3 yrs
£

Mistress_Keene wrote:

Tara_Red wrote:
Warfarin advice needed please
I have a lovely fun gentleman client in his early 70's who's just had a mild heart attack 2 weeks ago who is now taking Warfarin.
He can't wait to get back to spanking my bum but he likes to switch and receive spanking, paddle and cane.
He's seen advice on spanking forums about not doing anything as he will bruise badly and others saying it's fine.
I would appreciate some advice please from experienced pro dommes out there who have similar clients, I only switch occasionally and have little experience of whacking older gentleman (though I am accurate).
How much can he take if anything? And obviously don't get him too excited!
I have had subs who enjoy CP but are on warfarin. I can only pass on what they said they were told by their medical advisers.
I would say that one does have to be careful. Both subs I am thinking of had been told to avoid unecessary bruising of any kind so obviously indulging in CP is going to be a little more problematic than it might otherwise be.
If the sub understands that leaving marks which bruise or are likely to bruise later is out, then it is just a matter of seeing what choices are left. One is to use any implement but only use it lightly. hand spanking is okay but still can bruise the bottom of one on warfarin so keep checking the state of the buttocks after each spank or two. Using implements through clothing will help soften the blows but again constant checking of the spanked area is necessary.
My definite memory is that I used a wet tea towel placed over one sub's bottom and caned lightly to moderately through that and it seemed to be fine.
Great info thanks. Where there any problems such as unwanted bruises or aggravation of any other unwanted side effects?
"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
http://www.ladyanna.co.uk/

23 Dec 08, 11:28 AM
pinkglitterbomb
UK(W), 2 yrs
Ok, my knowledge is very very limited but I would say it's probably too risky. Especially avoid anything that may cut into the skin (ie, snappy canes) as this would be very hard to stop bleeding. Heavier, flatter implements may be prefereable. He should be having regular blood tests to test his INR levels (the rate at which his blood clots), and in doing this, his warfrin levels will change so you may find that there are more suitable times for heavier play (but still play with caution!!!!)
Warfarin is never prescribed easily so he must have it for a reason, and I agree with the previous poster who said this man needs to accept what has happened and modify accordingly.
Hope this helps.
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Anticoagulants-warf...
Edit to add: In a clinical setting, if a patient has any problems with bleeding etc, warfarin and other anti-coagulants/platlets are normally stopped straight away because of the risk.
Edited 23 Dec 08, 11:31 AM by pinkglitterbomb

23 Dec 08, 12:36 PM
wonderer
UK, 3 yrs

I've memoed someone on IC who I think might have special expertise in this area, to bring this thread to her attention. Hopefully she will either reply on board or by memo.

23 Dec 08, 1:08 PM
wonderer
UK, 3 yrs

But she doesn't use this site all the time, so don;t let that proepect inhibit any further replies.
This thread http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/189476/ addressed the same topic.
ETA Here's another thread with some useful advice and a website linked to by mcncirce http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/177662/0

Edited 23 Dec 08, 1:13 PM by wonderer

23 Dec 08, 2:28 PM
Lady_Raven
UK(BN), 2 yrs As a ex nurse i have to say no to any play that you hit the boady xsorry LR
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23 Dec 08, 2:34 PM
CPeccavi
UK(L), 2 yrs
He's just recovered from a heart attack, the warfarin suggests he may not be out of the woods yet. I'd at the very least check his blood pressure prior and during and that's nothing to do with the warfarin. In fact I think it's too soon.
A Man Is For Pleasure, Not For Life

23 Dec 08, 2:53 PM
LadyPandoraCP
UK(WA), 4 yrs
£ I've played with several people who were taking warfarin; but I wouldn't contemplate scening with someone who had had a heart attack two weeks ago!
Regardless of how much he says he needs it, tell him it's not possible until his heart problems have been properly assessed.
Yes, there are people out there who would session with him now, but they're not people I would ever want to be associated with. Refusing because you have doubts about his health is a far more responsible and caring thing to do than session right now.
Some people are like slinkies ... they don't really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs
Some people say I'm a bitch, that's just not true - I have the heart and soul of a kind and gentle person ... in a jar, on my desk, next to my cane.

23 Dec 08, 4:15 PM
SirOpenSource
UK(E), 4 yrs
Y!

Tara_Red wrote:
Warfarin advice needed please
I have a lovely fun gentleman client in his early 70's who's just had a mild heart attack 2 weeks ago who is now taking Warfarin.
He can't wait to get back to spanking my bum but he likes to switch and receive spanking, paddle and cane.
He's seen advice on spanking forums about not doing anything as he will bruise badly and others saying it's fine.
I would appreciate some advice please from experienced pro dommes out there who have similar clients, I only switch occasionally and have little experience of whacking older gentleman (though I am accurate).
How much can he take if anything? And obviously don't get him too excited!
No No No and finally No. This gentleman has only just come out of hospital having suffered what he has explained to you is a mild heart attack. The usual reason for post atrial fibrillation patients to be put on Warfarin is they have a higher risk of another blood clot forming in a heart chamber and travelling to the brain leading to a stroke. At his age that heart attack was a warning things are not working well anymore. I wonder how aware he is of his global health condition?
Once again sadly, I say no. Maybe you could suggest somethingelse he might enjoy?
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