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He was RCA's graphic designer at the time (apparently) and the model was either his daughter or niece.

- Chris

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Yes, she appears naked. Yes, she appears well "under age". Yes, I suspect the image is intended to be sexual, particularly in light of the "Virgin Killer" title of the album.

I suspect it's an image intended to be somewhat "edgy and provocative" for the purpose of increasing sales, and it's not an image I find myself "approving of", truth be told.

That said, my approval is immaterial.

What matters here is that an organization exists which has the power to censor access to whatever it likes and that this organization is not required to allow public scrutiny of its decisions. Hell, it doesn't even have to TELL anyone what it's censoring.

I don't like censorship, but if you're going to have it then it HAS to be open and above board. What is censored, and why, has to open to public scrutiny and debate. There has to be a proper appeals process.

This is little short of scandalous.

Toak

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True, and same - then they shouldn't have any. Doesn't mean something is necessarily illegal though. I also do not like endless vanilla cock sucking videos, but I wouldn't advocate for banning them.

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Edited 8 Dec 08, 12:59 PM by Degenerate

I was asking for that

Wow so many posts and you're the first to mention whether it is a good album or not. I wonder if sales have gone up due to controversy?

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That is entirely my point.

There are millions of people out there who sincerely believe that almost any photo of a naked person is inherently obscene.

Therefore their logic goes that vulnerable people should be protected by censoring all such pictures whether they like it or not.

I would not want to try and force them to change their view: though I feel sure it arises from their own corrupted view of the world.

However, I would utterly disagree with their right to censor what I see.

Because I do not believe that any pictures or photos corrupt the viewer; and I believe the research, such as it is, supports that view.

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I do agree, and this means I believe all convictions under the Obscene Publications Act are miscarriages of justice as no image or writing "depraves and corrupts" the viewer.

In my view, the only justification for censorship of sexual content is to remove a market for non-consensually produced images. Clearly, this principle prohibits images of child abuse but does not apply to adult BDSM pornography, since it invariably involves consenting models and actors.

(To the Straw Man vendors, please re-read the bit in bold, have a cup of tea, re-read it, then don't try doing the Straw Man thing, ok?)

Furthermore, I think there's a case for saying that certain potentially exploitative images of children invade their right to privacy, in a way their parents cannot set aside, and that publication and distribution of these images should be controlled by the subject, as an adult, in a similar way that permission is needed from copyright holders to use their images.

Given that the person on this album cover is now a grown woman and proud of it, using the right to privacy in this way would put the power in her hands. Paternalistic organisations like the IWF won't like that idea of course.

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The image seems to have appeared in all manner of sites since the censorship controvery. If you go into Google images and type "Virgin killer scorpions" you see loads. Can't say it does anything for me aesthetically and even less erotically.

I get the impression the "censorship" amounts to a voluntary code of practice which some ISPs sign up to and others don't.

I wonder whether at some point in the future people will look back on the last couple of deacdes as a brief hiatus in history during which censorship briefly disappeared.

I fear censorship will never disappear - there are far too many people who believe THEY should have the right to make moral, ethical and aesthetic judgments on behalf of other people.

***Edited to Add***

What I hope for as a more plausible and possible concept is that the censors are obliged to work openly and in the full view of public scrutiny. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be secretive and manipulative either.

Toak

FEMALE, BONDAGE-FRIENDLY MODEL SOUGHT. I am seeking to update my "How To" shibari bondage pictures (see my profile pics, the clothed blonde tied in red and black) with a model more "enthusiastic" about BDSM, and who is happy to be photographed nude. MEMO ME if this is you.

Edited 8 Dec 08, 1:42 PM by ToakReon

In this context it means subscribing to cleanfeed, which ISPs handling 95%+ of UK domestic connections do. When something is added to the cleanfeed database by the IWF it is automatically filtered by those ISPs (which means they can't selectively enable access to it BTW).

The govenment have threatened to make subscription to cleanfeed compulsary if all ISPs don't take it up but as yet they haven't done anything about the rest.

- Chris

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