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| Doghouse_Reilly |
on Sun 23 Nov 08, 1:14 AM to Doghouse_Reilly's blog.
So it's been debated back and forth here and all over the place for quite some time. The dreaded BNP members list. I think the conclusion that most folks have reached is that the publishing of the names and addresses of BNP members is entirely justified and a comedy classic of modern politics.
Some would argue perhaps that it is a little harsh to release details about somebody because you don't like the fact they are a Nazi. The thing is thought they did it to their opponents first and apparently when they did it is was okay. Google a little thing called Redwatch. There you find names, pictures and all sorts of other details about people charmingly termed as 'Traitors' by the BNP. Thus decrying what has happened to them as some sort of act of foul play is absolutely bogus and nearly as much of an ironygasm as Nick Griffin saying that his human rights, those things which he on principle does not believe in, have been breached.
Sure the Redwatch site is nowhere near as comprehensive as the BNP list that was posted, but it's a safe bet that if the BNP did have access to that quantity of information about their enemies they would use it. Indeed their support for the bullshit cottage industry that is Redwatch indicates pretty clearly that the BNP are completely morally bankrupt and thus fair game for skulduggery of this kind.
I like skulduggery you know. It's not only a very cool word but it's also a great way to get things done. Here's the BNP, the nastiest, most vile and violent political group in the UK, dealt a blow to the core from which they may never recover, and nobody had to be shot, nobody had to get their balls shut in a desk drawer and nobody needed to be garrotted in a darkened alleyway. Not that I would have shed many tears if such had happened, but it's sort of nice that they didn't. It's a victory for good old fashioned cunning over brawn. Always good to see.
| 23 Nov 08, 1:26 AM Snakehips 9 yrs |
I am so fucking loving it. | |
| 23 Nov 08, 1:31 AM larra_uk 7 yrs |
im a little confused over the whole thing. If a list of labour/conservative/liberal supporters were published surely there would not be this amount of media coverage. If you believe in something enough to affiliate yourself to them why make a fuss when you are outed. If you pay your dues to a legal political party why hide when your name is on their list. My name is larra and I used to vote labour!
larra | |
| 23 Nov 08, 2:01 AM CookieMonster UK, 6 yrs |
So how many David Copelands have been created this week and how many munches can we expect to be bombed? | |
| 23 Nov 08, 2:05 AM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs |
You've lost me. A David Copeland is created how exactly? Anybody who says truth is stranger than fiction has never seen tentacle porn. | |
| 23 Nov 08, 3:02 AM CookieMonster UK, 6 yrs |
By giving up on the democratic process through harrassment or the view that violence can be successful. | |
| 23 Nov 08, 3:38 AM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs |
I'm just going to have to call that bullshit. I'm not going to get Orwellian on your posts using mad blog powers, but seriously that is total bullshit. Copeland, like most people who happily kill innocent people, was a nutter. You can't make a society nutter proof, and even if you could it would impinge way too heavily on people's freedoms. Nobody banned the BNP, nobody did anything violent or criminal against the BNP, all that somebody did was tell the world who is in the BNP. You know what, most political parties can withstand that. The way the BNP reacted is more on a par with a cult or criminal conspiracy than a political party. In terms of letting the BNP operate unmolested in order to prevent people wigging out and becoming terrorists, which seems to be the course you're suggesting I would suggest you've not thought that through either. There's a very good case that without the sterling work the 'democratic' BNP has done to disenfranchise this generation of British Muslims we wouldn't have so many attacks from that quarter, so it cuts both ways. Allow the BNP to attack and abuse Muslims, allow them to continue to undermine their sense of belonging in this nation, allow them to continue acting as a recruiting sergeant for radical Islamist groups, allow them to continue to attack Islamic communities and guess what, Muslims are going to get just as fucked off as the Nazi psychos. I think you're seriously underestimating the damage that the BNP has done to British society. Now you might argue that it's not the BNPs fault that people become Islamic terrorists, but if you do argue that point then you'd have to concede that it's equally not the fault of anti-Nazi protesters that BNP members turn to violence. Anybody who says truth is stranger than fiction has never seen tentacle porn. | |
| 23 Nov 08, 7:54 AM Altheus UK, 11 yrs |
Give it a rest. They are a legitimate political party and, if you can overlook the racism, there is a hell of a lot that they say that I would like to see happen. An end to non-eu immigration, law & order, British workers first, restoring discipline in education and various other bits. There is no political party occupying the centre now and that leaves a great many ordinary working and middle class people feeling disenfranchised. Who, they ask, is looking out for me? Why are asylum seekers housed in higher standards than council tennants? If they dropped the racial parts and moved to an entirely civic nationalist position I'd vote for them like a shot. Being a part of the least fashionable group is society (White, Married, Heterosexual) I wonder, who is looking out for me? "If you're fucked in the head, you're fucked in the head. Don't turn it in to lifestyle." | |
| 23 Nov 08, 9:30 AM kisses_for_me UK, 5 yrs |
Wonder why BNP do well in certain local elections? Not the race issue at all, but the fact they get things done, streets cleaned, schools repaired, graffiti removed where other parties are happy to just sit in the ruts of mediocrity. It's easy to tell the difference between right and wrong. What's hard is choosing the wrong that's more right. | |
| 23 Nov 08, 10:05 AM Sweetiejar UK(S), 11 yrs |
The racial issue is the cornerstone of their policies, but they campaign at a local level on issues that concern the local populace. Who in their turn tend to overlook the real agenda. The mainstream ploitical parties would do very to listen to what the voting public are trying to tell them. Sweetiejar | |
| 23 Nov 08, 10:18 AM Snakehips 9 yrs |
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article8194... I know it's a paper we all love to hate. But I do think this story is worth a read, just in case anyone was still in doubt. |
