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| 6 Nov 08, 7:41 AM P_and_s 6 yrs |
susie always refers to me as Master or Sir even to outsiders, her doctor, dentist, etc, always ask her how Master is, not how her husband is, or even how Philip is. No we aren't playing games. As others have said, "My Master" is simply correct grammar, but what would Americans know about that? Instead of saying "My Master wants ...", the alternative, and possibly even more grammatically correct, would presumably be to say, "The Master of me, wants..." which doesn't trip off the tongue quite as easily! Philip To grow old is mandatory. To grow up is optional | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 9:37 AM Incandescence UK, 3 yrs  |
Perfectly put
life is like a box of chocolates ........ too many coffee creams !!! Lima xx | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 9:42 AM Backdooruk UK(BA), 12 yrs |
I think they are just mistaking the associative for the possessive. Did they actually ask any of the subs who use it if they are using the phrase in an ownership sense? I say 'my boss' all the time in connection with work. I'm pretty sure he doesn't belong to me. It's all very well Doms wanting their subs to avoid a psychological implication of the possessive by avoiding language they connect with it but I doubt many of them realize that they are also avoiding the implication of association, which is not so desirable for anyone wanting to strongly bind someone. - Chris
Anyone with a brain is manipulable. Only the truly unimaginative are difficult to control. Edited 6 Nov 08, 9:54 AM by Backdooruk | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 9:49 AM Belasarius UK(M), 8 yrs       |
First, I'd hate it if I wasn't addressed possessively. That would be as bad as never being fiercely held. But, for those who see this as an intriguing discipline it is not difficult language wise.
One can as easily say "Master says" as "My Master says" and any perusal of literature firm the age of domestic service will see it littered with "Yes MAster", "No Master" etcetera, etcetera Best to all Rules is rules... | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 9:59 AM Tadashii_Aikouka 5 yrs |
Do you own your doctor? Do you own your employer? Your street? Your mobile phone network? Do we own our government? It's just the way of the English language. Yes, the word "my" is possessive and could be taken to literally mean that the object belongs to the subject, but when the object is not a pronoun, it usually describes how it relates to the subject and the "my" simply links the two. A guy who insists on this kind of thing, to be honest, doesn't so much come across as dominant, but as someone with something to prove... but then perhaps I'm not the best person to answer this question, as I don't really submit to doms.... | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 10:01 AM Souci_X UK(BA), 5 yrs |
I dont ever say my Sir, it doesnt really fit with my idea of possession or definintion of the word. I will say my partner, or the Dominant that I am with. Thats just me though. | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 10:07 AM RaspberryTortoise UK(TW), 9 yrs |
"My" is just the equivalent of the genitive case. It doesn't imply ownership, just a relationship between a subject and an object. I could say "Thank you for your present", but the present belongs to me because you gave it to me. When you gave it to me you probably said "Here's your present". This is not a hint by the way. It is not my birthday. I am not expecting any presents. Take my hand, my child of love, come step inside my tears, | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 10:20 AM just_six UK(CH), 10 yrs |
The first time i saw that, it was in the book written by "the grateful slave" Master also read the book, and whilst i didn't see it as meaning possessive...i mean my dad is my dad but i don't own him..it is just grammatically correct. However Master disagreed..there was quite a lengthy exchange of messages with regard to it. But Master is Master, and the outcome was that i know refer to him as "Master" instead of "my Master" i have to admit that it took away some of the personal aspect of how i view my relationship with him, in a *i am his personal slave* kind of way. However, i guess it is the relationship that matters, and it is only one word after all! Edited to add: Having read Philip's post, we are also pretty high on protocol, and i NEVER call Master by His given name, and i cringe every time i have to introduce Him at munches etc, and have to use it. Think He enjoys seeing me squirm having to do it mind you! Edited 6 Nov 08, 10:24 AM by just_six | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 10:22 AM littlenic 5 yrs |
See, I was going to post a ramble on this last night, but couldn't quite find the word I was looking for. Both Sinpar and Backdoor have provided it to me now: "associative".
Figure me happy that I've learnt something this morning As for not using "my" - well, we're pretty high protocol I think, whatever that means, and my version would be "its" - but yeah, I use that. For example, if I expressed in a post-weekend email that "it liked going out to the LAM with owners" - what, randomly? I just enjoyed heading out with random people who owned random things? Not only is is crappy English, I'd argue that whilst it may be Gorean (I wouldn't know) I'd also sound like I was a grunting monosyllabic caveman.
Which I may be, at times, but rarely intentionally.
But the geezer who objects - is it just the Master thing, do you think? Is he okay when subs/slaves talk about their collar, or their chores, or their duties? Because if it's only the Master thing then it's nothing to do with possession and everything to do with ego. Kingston? No, paracetamol. Edited 6 Nov 08, 10:24 AM by littlenic | |||
| 6 Nov 08, 10:28 AM twisted_kitty UK(OX), 4 yrs |
very well put sinpar Life is a biatch ... fuck her dont take her too seriously but love her with all your heart! |
