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| 1 Nov 08, 1:57 PM Original_Rebel UK(CT), 10 yrs   |
I have to agree with you on that one Dominants should cuddle after play Never make someone you're priority when you to them are only an option..... | |||
| 1 Nov 08, 6:03 PM Katena UK(M), 7 yrs |
WHo's to say either example or necrophilia or paedophilia isn't someone's kink?! Granted its completling abhorent and wrong..but stil could be *a* Doms kink. But thats not the point at debate here...the point is that no-one could say that they have a 'no limits' relationship Everyone has hard limits..and those could be...as said before beastilality....walking around the street naked...or even outing themselves. I think its a sexy idea to beleive you dont have limits....but....everyone does! k
I've ran out of sick days...so i'm calling in dead | |||
| 1 Nov 08, 6:09 PM foibey UK(M), 7 yrs |
I find it hard to believe that genuinely consensual genuinely no-limits play exists. Moral and ethical limits exist in all play (at least in so much as once you throw ethics out of the window, it's not really play anymore so much as it's edging into the realms of sexual assault) which in effect approximate consensual limits. Playing without a safe-word just seems to put a lot more of the responsibility for safety onto tops rather than making it a collaborative effort. moo Edited 1 Nov 08, 6:11 PM by foibey | |||
| 1 Nov 08, 6:26 PM SuzannaRaine UK(NG), 4 yrs |
There are certainly many people who have these as fetishes, as things that arouse them, as their orientations. There are, for example, many paedophiles. But... Where does Paedophilia fit into BDSM? Just because "a Dom" likes kids, does not, in my mind, make paedophilia any part of BDSM. For my, BDSM requires consent. (Either RACK, or SSC, lets not nit-pick). Paedophilia, by definition, has no consent. Ditto with necrophilia (no true consent as no ability to have consent withdrawn). On the basis that there can not be consent, I do not believe them to be part of BDSM. Though, if you can fit paedophilia into Bondage Discipline Dominance Submission SadoMasochism please, be my guest. We're perverts, not criminals.
There are things I don't like doing, things I don't want to do, things I would not choose to do... There are things I would struggle with doing, things that would leave me needing a heck of a lot of "aftercare" from the other person (which they will be aware of and willing to provide should they decide that whatever it is is going to happen). I'm not saying this to big my self up, make myself seem "uber" or anything like that. I'm not saying this because I'm some naive newbie who's never been at the business end of a sadists affections. I am saying this because, all of the limits I have come from a place of either physical limitation (if they know the consequences are still want to go ahead, I'm not going to die because of it, and, heck, I want to do some of these things, it's just damn stupid) or a moral objection which would not exist with the "right" person, in the right situation. I am not saying I have no limits with everyone I play with. I am saying I have been in situations where whatever the other person said would have happened, regardless of my personal preferences. (Again, I'm ruling out, "here's a five year old" and "let me break you leg" and "jump off that cliff" as being unrealistic and not examples of the kind of things that transpire in a kink situation.) bara 'adam 'et 'elohim m'apher | |||
| 1 Nov 08, 6:29 PM foibey UK(M), 7 yrs |
You're calling various things "unrealistic" but everyone has their own personal ideas of reasonable limits of injuries to be sustained during play, and these limits vary greatly across the spectrum of people involved in kink. moo | |||
| 1 Nov 08, 6:35 PM Iphis_me UK(E), 4 yrs |
Apparently some subs don't like being cuddled after play, I remember a thread on this before. Myself, I'm with you guys - a good cuddle afterwards is essential as I come back to earth. "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" | |||
| 1 Nov 08, 6:37 PM SuzannaRaine UK(NG), 4 yrs |
I guess I just don't see paedophilia or necro as parts of BDSM (see previous comment re consent) And I'm fairly open about some of my "please can I have fun with the snakes" ideas. bara 'adam 'et 'elohim m'apher | |||
| 1 Nov 08, 6:43 PM SuzannaRaine UK(NG), 4 yrs |
True. I do understand that some things I consider acceptable wouldn't be to others. But, note what I'm calling "unrealistic" intentionally broken bones, things that cause death (jumping off cliffs), permanent damage, sex with children and corpses... If you want to consider them "realistic" things to happen in Hades/AntiChrist of a Saturday night then, please, go right ahead, but, I think you'll be in the minority view on that one.
bara 'adam 'et 'elohim m'apher |
