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| 1 Oct 08, 2:04 PM IndelibleMarker UK(E), 6 yrs     |
You can download the preview trailer for free which isn't working on the website from: click on the three files named kkt_5751 and you need to use winrar to open them.
Tuam matrem feci, Edited 1 Oct 08, 6:00 PM by IndelibleMarker | ||||
| 1 Oct 08, 2:12 PM IndelibleMarker UK(E), 6 yrs |
Personally, my favourite is "TheTrainingofO.com" and I also adore sexandsubmission.com I'm really not sure what my opinion on the PublicDisgrace site is... It's an interesting one, but it certainly has broken the concept of consensuality as a generalisation. For the record, the first time they tried to film this shoot they WERE arrested and taken to the police station but were later freed (It's in Budapest, Hungary, apparently). In the preliminary interview the girl actually openly admits to finding the police intervention exciting and recognises she risks the same thing again.
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| 1 Oct 08, 2:23 PM ibugly UK, 5 yrs |
The fantasy of public exhibitionism/sex/BDSM works for me - features in some of my favourite stories. The reality doesn't, though. Watching the clip left me feeling pretty uncomfortable. I don't think it's OK to force BDSM on people in public, or to have unsuspecting passers-by in your hard-code BDSM film.
I'll stick my fantasies Moses was angry with the officers of the army..."Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them..."Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:15-17) | ||||
| 1 Oct 08, 2:24 PM serva_domini UK(DL), 5 yrs |
That's pretty much what I was thinking, not for the press, but to create a better and more realistic fantasy for the viewer. serva_domini x | ||||
| 1 Oct 08, 2:28 PM Backdooruk UK(BA), 12 yrs |
I doubt that is their motivation. The motivation generally is the effect it has on the person being humiliated and the enjoyment of that, the onlooker's feelings are not important. Indeed, most public exposure type videos go on to involve the watching public (inviting them to grope or 'have a go') suggesting that the intended reaction of the passers by is exactly the opposite of being disgusted. - Chris Anyone with a brain is manipulable. Only the truly unimaginative are difficult to control. Edited 1 Oct 08, 2:29 PM by Backdooruk | ||||
| 1 Oct 08, 2:31 PM TheKey UK(N), 4 yrs |
Umm, no... I think I haven't... Merely asking the questions. I don't think it's a matter of just not subscribing, though - the problem, if there is one, seems to be in the unconsensuality involved in the making of the videos, which doesn't stop by me not subscribing. | ||||
| 1 Oct 08, 2:34 PM Greenwich_Munch UK(SE), 3 yrs |
Yes...but in other public involvment stuff i have seen, the public are fully aware of what they are watching and are there because of it. This is totally different surely, where the public are accidentally involved and had no say as to whether or not they wanted to see what they did? They were unable to give their consent, so that makes it unethical in my eyes. This is not the same as making a decision not to watch something on tv and being able to switch it off is it?
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| 1 Oct 08, 3:01 PM littlenic 5 yrs |
Forgive me. I took away the impression from your posts on this thread that you thought there was a problem with this site. They all read to me as being quite negative about it.
Your not subscribing *will* stop it from happening... if so many people think they've crossed a line, and don't subscribe, the site won't pay and they'll soon stop. (If you're interested, pretty much the same debate is happening on their forums too.) And I'm not sure what else anyone who objects to this site *can* do. By all means, don't do it yourself. I don't like that sort of open public humiliation, so I wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't pay to see it. It sounds like a lot of people here feel the same. Clearly, kink.com don't feel that way. If what they're doing is illegal - they'll be stopped, or you could report them if you like. If their ethics and tastes are different to yours, but not illegal - well, that's *their* ethics, and it's for them to worry about. All you can do is not subscribe. Or boycott all their sites, if you feel so strongly. Or start a protest against the company. For having different ethics, tastes and standards to you. I'm sure Martin Salter and Liz Longhurst will march right there alongside you. I didn't realise there were universal rules as to how kink's done - only the rules you set yourself as to how *you* choose to do it.
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| 1 Oct 08, 3:01 PM IndelibleMarker UK(E), 6 yrs |
I've seen stuff that fits into both categories actually, but I never expected it from Kink.com - who are the largest distributer of BDSM related material in the world. Every one of their shoots for every one of their websites has a certain look and character to it which means it can be recognised instantly and sets it apart from the voyeuristic amateur crap. For those who remember Insex.com (clearly I don't as it doesn't tie in with my age <errrhhherm>) they were shut down in America and sold to a Dutch company for US$ 4million. Almost all of the production team and models working for Insex moved on to work with Kink.com (founded by UK native Peter Ackworth) at The San Francisco Armory where the vast majority of their shoots are filmed - behind closed doors. This new site, PublicDisgrace has moved the filming to Hungary to avoid the legality issues and although they are being very careful, they're certainly pushing the boundaries as the footage is still avaliable worldwide. Kink.com states their mission statement on their website as the following:
While certainly authentic, can we honestly contest to this being ethical? Safe, sane and consensuality has clearly not been adheered to. While I certainly don't want to boycot the site or anything, I am concerned that K.com have lost the plot slightly and are treading in extremely dangerous territory which may not be beneficial to their future. Tuam matrem feci, | ||||
| 1 Oct 08, 5:09 PM Stanisk UK(TA), 5 yrs |
Decided to comment on this one as my personal view is that BDSM shouldn't effect the public. Yes, it's a damn hot fantasy and its amusing to wonder what the checkout person is thinking when you're buying a cucumber, condoms and lube from Tesco .. but this is another level. Hot as hell, damn sexy. But pushing it too far from a moral viewpoint. It may shoot the community in the foot by promoting the idea as acceptable. I certainly wouldn't want to defend it morally. The mere fact we have had someone ask 'have they gone to far' is possibly an indicator it has. It's definitely heading firmly in that direction. All that said. Have they done something illegal? They were arrested in Budapest, Hungary (I'm using IndelibleMarker's statements without verifying fact). The media will be distributed through Kink.com which is based in America - the IP address for publicdisgrace.com resolving to servers hosted in San Francisco (unsurprisingly). So the question is have they broken Hungarian, European, Californian State or American Federal law. If they haven't morally objectionable or otherwise - it's legal. I can't envisage Kink.com doing something like this without dotting i's and crossing t's! So while it might be legal for an American it isn't necessarily for the UK or Europe - and that's where we shoot ourselves in the foot. Moral outcry leading to scrutiny. Notice how the American's shut down Online Gambling? (By removing the ability to pay for it with a CC) If the CJIB bill makes this illegal - or if politicians don't want it - I expect financial sanctions would be used to inhibit it.
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