NoTW rolls out Ex Archbishop in its defense (57)

27 Jul 08, 1:10 PM
stimyou
UK(CH), 12 mths
mrandy wrote:
Even more hypocrital was that When Carey was archbishop,many vicars(like today) were openly gay and he tolerated that, which goes against scripture. So if he could turn a blind eye towards gay vicars why is he so moralistic towards MM ?
Yep,i know 4 gay vicars in a 40 mile radius,2 of them are married too.Im thinking thats just the tip of the iceberg. When i used to frequent local gay sauna's there were often gay priests,popping over from eire for a bit of sneaky nooky there.Most kept thier crusifixs on too
Edited 27 Jul 08, 1:12 PM by stimyou

27 Jul 08, 1:10 PM
MrsTopman1
YT, 3 yrs
Auda_abu_Tayi wrote:
Christ alive, Lord Carey sounds more like Oswald Mosley's son than Max does.
From his wikipedia page:
"He presided over the Lambeth Conference of 1998 and actively supported the resolution at that Conference which uncompromisingly rejected all homosexual practice as "incompatible with scripture". Carey was criticised for his lack of neutrality on the issue by those attempting to rescue a compromise position which had been presented to the conference by a working group of Bishops on human sexuality. George Carey also voted against an express condemnation (which had been present in the original form of the resolution) of homophobia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Carey
How do you get that from the above? He sounds pretty liberal on the issue of homosexuality.
The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
Doms - women will fancy you if they see you kicking the shit out of a weasel.

27 Jul 08, 2:14 PM
kethry
UK, 5 yrs

Shibari_Cognoscenti wrote:
Any bets on whether Henry was adulterous prior to the annulment?
He was. During his first marriage to Catherine of Aragon (said widow of his brother) he had an affair with Bessie Blount which resulted in the birth of a son, Henry Fitzroy (Fitzroy often being the surname of illegitmate royal males) who was duly recognised by Henry as the Duke of Richmond, as a way to legitimise him to get him out of the "hole" that he saw himself in (only one daughter, Mary - in his view girls had no business being on the throne of England and would lead to civil war).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fitzroy%2C_1s...
Henry Fitzroy's death in 1536 put paid to that, also possibly hastening the end for Anne Boleyn (together with a miscarriage and the death of his first wife, Henry VIII wanted to wipe the books, as it were, and start over with a new wife, Jane Seymour, and he finally got his legal son - Edward VI, who died without heirs, opening the way for Mary and then the famous Elizabeth to become queen in sucession).
keth xx

27 Jul 08, 2:18 PM
DarkLordDredd
UK(NG), 6 yrs

Shibari_Cognoscenti wrote:
Wasn't the C of E set up specifically for the divorce of Henry VIII!
Any bets on whether Henry was adulterous prior to the annulment?
On that basis the 'Head of the Church' can do no wrong, it's their church.
S_C
History shows that Henry VIII set up the Church of Engalnd as the Pope refused him a divorce. Hence your right about his reasoning. Henry VIII also changed the marriage laws to make it legal to marry your cousins, says it all really.

27 Jul 08, 3:25 PM
ender11118
UK, 3 yrs

DarkLordDredd wrote:

Shibari_Cognoscenti wrote:
Wasn't the C of E set up specifically for the divorce of Henry VIII!
Any bets on whether Henry was adulterous prior to the annulment?
On that basis the 'Head of the Church' can do no wrong, it's their church.
S_C
History shows that Henry VIII set up the Church of Engalnd as the Pope refused him a divorce. Hence your right about his reasoning. Henry VIII also changed the marriage laws to make it legal to marry your cousins, says it all really.
I blame Luther, I mean, going around hammering nails into valuble catherdral doors...someone should have taken the hammer off him...

27 Jul 08, 5:59 PM
MrsTopman1
YT, 3 yrs
ender11118 wrote:

DarkLordDredd wrote:

Shibari_Cognoscenti wrote:
Wasn't the C of E set up specifically for the divorce of Henry VIII!
Any bets on whether Henry was adulterous prior to the annulment?
On that basis the 'Head of the Church' can do no wrong, it's their church.
S_C
History shows that Henry VIII set up the Church of Engalnd as the Pope refused him a divorce. Hence your right about his reasoning. Henry VIII also changed the marriage laws to make it legal to marry your cousins, says it all really.
I blame Luther, I mean, going around hammering nails into valuble catherdral doors...someone should have taken the hammer off him...
And, of course, he had a diet of worms...
The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
Doms - women will fancy you if they see you kicking the shit out of a weasel.

27 Jul 08, 6:20 PM
LaoAngel
UK(LS), 8 mths
A friend and I had the chance to run Carey over several years ago.... sometimes I wish my friend hadn't turned away...
�You don't eat 'em,� returned Mr. Pumblechook, sighing and nodding his head several times, as if he might have expected that, and as if abstinence from watercresses were consistent with my downfall.
Edited 27 Jul 08, 6:21 PM by LaoAngel

27 Jul 08, 7:22 PM
Cinnabar
UK(CH), 3 yrs I define myself as a pantheistic ex-Catholic but I remain sympathetic to the better things in Christianity.
George Carey is not IMV one of them, unlike the current Archbishop who is a very different person, erudite, humane, charismatic, liberal in the best sense but struggling in an impossible job.
But Carey ... was useless in the job, was not tolerant of homosexuals but as posted above, did all that he could to make life difficult for them and to prevent a consensus accommodation within Anglicanism emerging during his time at Lambeth Palace.
I find this piece in the NOTW one of his most appalling pieces of double standards in years. He must realise that to write in this way will be seen as explicit justification of the position and the methods of the newspaper, which clearly involved blackmail and lying, which one would imagine even he would find sinful.
And Mosley is not, as has been stressed before, a public servant nor has he been elected, he is an administrator in a sport who was virtually unknown until the NOTW decided to splash his non-Nazi non-orgy with non-prostitutes all over it's front page.
Was he paid for the piece? I sincerely hope not.
I see Mosley is now considering a libel action. I wish him well, but I would caution him against it. So far he has come out on top but libel is a peculiar legal entity ... I fear he might lose or not emerge as well.
seeking the ordinary and the extraordinary

27 Jul 08, 7:30 PM
MrsTopman1
YT, 3 yrs
Cinnabar wrote:
<snip> But Carey ... was useless in the job, was not tolerant of homosexuals but as posted above, did all that he could to make life difficult for them and to prevent a consensus accommodation within Anglicanism emerging during his time at Lambeth Palace.

Cinnabar, which posts are you referring to? The wiki quote above, which I've quoted from a previous post, makes it clear that Carey was very tolerant of homosexuals.
The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
Doms - women will fancy you if they see you kicking the shit out of a weasel.

27 Jul 08, 7:38 PM
mrandy
UK(SS), 15 mths

spirifer wrote:

Cinnabar wrote:
<snip> But Carey ... was useless in the job, was not tolerant of homosexuals but as posted above, did all that he could to make life difficult for them and to prevent a consensus accommodation within Anglicanism emerging during his time at Lambeth Palace.

Cinnabar, which posts are you referring to? The wiki quote above, which I've quoted from a previous post, makes it clear that Carey was very tolerant of homosexuals.
In that case if Carey is tolerant of gays,why can't he be tolerant towards BDSM?

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