| Degenerate |
I received a question on memo this morning and as I have been asked this one several times in memo by curious, or new poly people, I thought it might be worth blogging it and opening it for others to share ideas (thanks by the way for this welcome distraction - I'm anxious today with one of my kids due an operation tomorrow). Obviously I can only speak for how I do things and different people will have different strategies, so hopefully others will contribute to this answer. I'll post some general tips first and then deal with the spcifics in a reply message.
Some general tips on dealing with jealousy and time constraints in poly relationships..
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Meet your partners needs.
The same goes for mono relationships really. Meet your partners needs directly or get as close as you can. The key to poly, for me is 'different strokes for different folks'. Every person has unique individual needs and as their partner my job is to try to meet those needs within my capability.
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Find out if their needs have changed.
Does the partner now need more time with you than they used to? Can this be delivered, or does it need negotiating? Be creative - one of the ways I am maximising time with my partners is having three of them for dinner every week, together.
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Assure, then reassure.
It matters when a partner is struggling to deal with anything, especially if they need more time you can't give although you might like to. Treat it like it matters. Say you'd like to do ____ and wish you could. Assure them that despite constraints of physical together time, your emotional commitment to them is full time. Assure them of what commitment you are making to them (whatever it is - this can be done at any stage of a relationship as long as you are honest). Reassure them every time they need it.
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Avoid negativity.
A partner wanting more of us is a great compliment. Don't treat it as a problem, treat it as an opportunity to remind your partner of what they mean to you, to show them your love. Hold onto their heart - it's an active ongoing process, not something you achieve once.
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Console and enchant.
Console them when they feel they miss you. Just because you cannot spend more time together, doesn't mean the sadness about this should be ignored. Be loving - show them you care, make extra effort to ensure your time together is always special. In this respect it's quality not quantity that counts and when time is limited every hour together is precious. Enchant them all over again like you did the first time they started to fall for you.
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Every moment is precious.
There is no time for TV watching if you have a limited time together (bear in mind this is what the average monogamous live-in couple spend a huge amount of time doing together!) - it's not time it's quality which counts in the end. Treat your time like it is precious. Live and love now as now is all we have for sure.
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Negotiate how to approach problems.
Often it's the approach not the need for more time which causes the problem in situations of jealousy or missing a partner. If it gets approached in a way which causes more problems then new problems arise and it gets worse. The fist time it comes up, discuss how to raise it in future to minimalise the problem growing. When time is limited, we certainly don't have time to waste dealing with the (often bigger) problems caused by bad approach/arguments.
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Know what's not possible.
Just because the mind wants to be poly, does not mean the feelings can follow. People with ongoing jealousy issues that cause problems when their own needs are being met, may well just not be suited to poly, no matter how much they'd like to be so they can stay with us. Sometimes it is more loving to let someone go than try to keep them.
Edited Mon 23 Jun 08, 10:49 AM by Degenerate
| 23 Jun 08, 10:15 AM Degenerate UK(M), 5 yrs |
QUESTION "You have a number of persons in your family. I was wondering how you prevent people getting jealous of one another."
*************************************************** ********* *I have four serious partners. Each of them are very different - two are slaves, one is a masochist, one is a bottom.
* Two of them work full time, one works part time as he is supposed to be retired *One of them is caring for his elderly brother, one of them is caring for his elderly mother (live in), one of them has an extremely busy social life and the other cares full time for child who shares their bed. *One of them plays occasionally with others in private, two of them play occasionally in public and the fourth hangs out with girlfriends. *None of them live with me - one of them lives alone, one of them lives with the elderly mother, one of them lives with a flatmate and the other with a child. * One of them would like to spend more time here than is possible, one is happy to see me once every week or two, one feels stretched if he doesn't see me every week and the other is starting to want to spend more time here and I see them every week (the slaves need more time). * One is a princess and needs to be treated accordingly, one wants to be in valuable service as often as possible, and the other two need regular lovin' in their favourite ways. All of them spend the minority of their time with me. All of them have different needs when it comes to relationships. all of them are in my mind and heart full time. Two of them are (at least to some extent) under my control 24/7 (the slaves). The other two are very independent and would probably not appreciate being too tied down time wise. I also have three children to care for. So in total, all counted, I am caring for eight people. *************************************************** ******* QUESTION "The 'you spend more time with xxxx, than you do me.' Does that situation ever rear its head?" *************************************************** ********* Some of them need more time than others - none of them is looking for a live in partner, or they would probably not be my partners. Sometimes someone who needs less time than others may need more of me than usual, due to personal stress or problems/progress which needs dealing with. In particular at those times, partners who need and usuallly get more of my time may get less time with me. They try their best to be caring and patient at these times. All of my partners know each other and feel some alliegence with each other and building relationships in their own right. They all care for each others welfare to some extent, not only because it affects me if anything is going wrong with someone. The question tends not to be posed like that with people who are really into poly themselves. It's not so much 'you are spending more time with xxx' as 'I need more time with you'. Or more commonly the same point is raised as 'I haven't seen you for ages' (ages is a different length of time depending on which partner it is and ranges from a couple of days to a couple of weeks). *************************************************** ********* QUESTION "How do You handle it when, or would You handle it, if such a situation developed? Jealousy, or envy really, that someone is getting what a better deal, more time and attention, from You would be an emotive issue to deal with. " *************************************************** ********* I would be quite sad actually and yes it is very emotive dealing with someone you love being jealous of someone else you love, as we feel protective towards both of them. In the first instance I would try and make it clear that directing their upset at one of my other partners is inappropriate. Someone else 'gettin a better deal' is a bit of a trigger for me and is a ludicrous suggestion when all of them want and get different things from me. This is a common accusation from people inexperienced and not at all suited to poly (in my opin) - last time I was accused of this I asked the partner in question had they not been having a marvellous time with me all that day and evening and they said they had never been treated so well - so I pointed out that this is hardly 'a worse deal' considering the other partner does not expect or want the kind of full on relationship they themselves were *already getting*. When jealousy remains in such circumstance I think there is little to be done as the person in question is just not suited to poly relationships. *************************************************** ********* QUESTION "Would You react with anger at the implication You were being unfair, or would You want to listen to what Your sub had to say? " *************************************************** ********* I try to be fair by meeting everyone's individual needs. I should always listen to what they have to say and I do. I sometimes do react in an annoyed way when the approach is not too helpful and it is a bit of a raw nerve at times, as I would love to be able to spend more time with all of my partners. So if approached in a certain way I can be a bit grouchy about it initially before I accept that the partner needs more time and reassurance and the get to the bottom of the problem to see if there is anything I can do to help. If the approach is good, I'm right in there with 'How can we make this better?', although sometimes I need pulling back a bit to allow people to express their emotions first and fully, as I am pretty manly in my 'how do we fix this immediately' approach.. *************************************************** ********* QUESTION "Do You take the stance that its 'my way or the highway?' I'm just curious on how You would deal with this when it happens/if it happens." *************************************************** ********* No i do not take that stance unless it is a hard limit issue (eg they can't share). I expect my partners to approach problems maturely and in a way which does not cause further problems, to understand that I can only do what I am capable of, and exercise some consideration to my other partners and if they cannot, it's the highway. On all other issues I want to know if they have concerns and deal with them where possible and reassure where not.
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| 23 Jun 08, 10:21 AM MsWhisper 8 yrs |
I hope all goes well with the operation tomorrow hun x "So close no matter how far, couldn't be much more from the heart, forever trusting who we are, and nothing else matters" | |
| 23 Jun 08, 10:27 AM CPeccavi 4 yrs |
Hope your needs are also met, De, as you say - you are caring for eight people. x The most powerful weapon on earth is the human soul on fire. ~Ferdinand Foch | |
| 23 Jun 08, 10:39 AM BlueVelvet UK(B), 9 yrs |
Fab post....one of the reasons it works so well for you, I feel, is that you have all found a way to communicate openly and honestly. A rare thing in most relationships without the added poly factor. Personally, I've had good and bad poly relationships. When they are good they are fantastic, when they are bad they can absolutely destroy you.
Hope your life always remains so beautifully hectic BV *edited for typo* Passion.........Fire......truly is the elixer of life...It feeds not only your heart but your soul too. Edited 23 Jun 08, 10:40 AM by BlueVelvet | |
| 23 Jun 08, 11:23 AM Masters_Delight UK(WD), 5 yrs |
All i can say is WOW!!!! My head would be spinning if i had all of that going on.xx Happiness is a journey not a destination.x | |
| 23 Jun 08, 11:41 AM smallwitch UK, 4 yrs |
Awesome blog - I find it hard to manage at times with 2 kids and just one partner. Think I need to adress some self centred issues..... | |
| 23 Jun 08, 11:41 AM RichardNewbury UK(BH), 4 yrs |
Degerate, Thank you very much for this insight. I am very new to polyamoury and am already coming across the very issues for which you provide guidance from your, obviously extensive, experience. Thank you for sharing it. Best regards Wacker "Come to the edge. We can't. We're afraid. Come to the edge. We can't. We will fall! Come to the edge. And they came. And he pushed. And they flew." - Guillaume Apollinaire | |
| 23 Jun 08, 12:59 PM Miss_Dee UK(L), 5 yrs |
Thanks for posting this, great advice especially about letting someone go if it doesn't suit them.
Miss T | |
| 23 Jun 08, 1:20 PM res4sub 7 yrs |
Brilliant post, thankyou so much, its helped my mind a lot and cleared up a few things 'Would it be a bad thing if I just strangled you with these right now?' | |
| 23 Jun 08, 8:39 PM MasterOfMe UK(WD), 6 yrs |
I felt exhausted just reading it |