Scheming, Incompetant or Easily Led? (23)

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Tue 3 Jun 08, 3:02 AM
xjames
UK(SS), 2 yrs
We've had the CJIA, the cartoon porn, and today's 10 million child carers to be database. Many views about each of these have been expressed here. But there is a lack of comment on the motives of the government.
Are they "out to get us"?
Do they implement laws and initiatives without thinking of the practical issues and unintended consequences(and do they care)?
Or are they overly influenced by others who have an anti-porn agenda?

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3 Jun 08, 3:16 AM
Ismene
UK(M), 8 mths

xjames wrote:
Scheming, Incompetant or Easily Led?
We've had the CJIA, the cartoon porn, and today's 10 million child carers to be database. Many views about each of these have been expressed here. But there is a lack of comment on the motives of the government.
Are they "out to get us"?
Do they implement laws and initiatives without thinking of the practical issues and unintended consequences(and do they care)?
Or are they overly influenced by others who have an anti-porn agenda?

Or are we all a little paranoid? I think that it has taken away a lot of the fun for me and many many others who felt an innocent draw to something considered out of societies limits.
And yet, I see all over the world stories of regular people 'allegedly', doing such terrible things as storing their children in the cellar, only they know why.. Perhaps they are not aiming at all at us, but at those kind of people...
I dunno, makes me sad as a sufferer of pretty horrific sexual abuse as a child, that when I am a consenting adult, I cannot explore the things which have otherwise overshadowed my life....
Admin are being brilliant and are helping us in any way we can... I for one, appreciate that. There are also people here on IC who are knowledgeable, well read and able to give us guidance, instead of continually arguing the toss, as the original thread (I forget who's name I saw) said, we should be trying to get an underline on the things which are included and excluded in this bill...
Just a coupla thoughts.... Going back to ma pants as it is warm and cosy there...
Issy xx
I looked into the flames and saw, there in the sparks, the spirits of those animals and humans who had been there before me and I knew I was alive..
Tied to the rails and seeing the oncoming train, I wished I had spare pants....
Edited 3 Jun 08, 3:18 AM by Ismene

3 Jun 08, 9:58 AM
Tanos
UK(M), 11 yrs
Y!
I think Labour's attitude to the adults of this country is neatly summarised by their 2003 law against female genital mutilation:
"6 Definitions. (1) Girl includes woman."
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2003/ukpga_20030...
Regards,
Tanos
www.tanos.org.uk

3 Jun 08, 10:07 AM
newfavourite
UK(S), 14 mths

xjames wrote:
Scheming, Incompetant or Easily Led?
We've had the CJIA, the cartoon porn, and today's 10 million child carers to be database. Many views about each of these have been expressed here. But there is a lack of comment on the motives of the government.
Are they "out to get us"?
Do they implement laws and initiatives without thinking of the practical issues and unintended consequences(and do they care)?
Or are they overly influenced by others who have an anti-porn agenda?

I really believe there is no evidence that this government is 'anti-porn' or being led by people with an 'anti-porn' agenda. Mainstream porn is massive business and as such wouldn't be touched by any government that adheres to the philosophy of the Free Market. Some of the discussions about the CJIA make this link between 'violent porn' and 'porn' in general and I think it is wildly inaccurate, in terms of producers, consumers and legislators.
Never mind the quality; feel the width
Member and Pantsonhead-hunter for the Pants On HeadClub

3 Jun 08, 10:10 AM
x_Thunder_x
UK(E), 6 yrs
Y!

Tanos wrote:
I think Labour's attitude to the adults of this country is neatly summarised by their 2003 law against female genital mutilation:
"6 Definitions. (1) Girl includes woman."

Apart from in Scotland - Para 8 (4) This Act does not extend to Scotland.
^Thunder^
Unfettered
Sign the Petition against Government Legislation on "Extreme Images"

3 Jun 08, 10:34 AM
ToakReon
UK(RH), 8 yrs
Y!
I think there are a number of factors.
I think we have a somewhat "moralistic" government that believes that many of the things we in the BDSM community do are not "nice things" such as would be done by "nice people" - and as such they are inherently disinclined to be sympathetic when what they do causes us distress.
I think we have a government who is stuck in the idea that if something "nasty" happens (like, for example, the murder of Jane Longhurst) then it becomes the "duty of government" to introduce new legislation to tackle it. The fact that you can't target legislation at the one-off actions of a killer is a bit of a problem, so heck - they introduce legislation that is NOT targeted at the problem itself, but aims at something they perceive to be near it which is "not nice" (like pornography).
I think we have a government that, after well over a decade in power, have come to believe that they cannot be wrong and anyone who suggests they are cannot be right. They've got set in their ways and see themselves as the "loving, though sometimes misunderstood guardian of the land". It's telling, I think, that when there is a poor public perception of what the government does, the government's reaction is not to re-assess it's actions but to claim that it is "failing to get its message across properly". It's always "we're still right - but we haven't found the way to show everyone how right we are".
I don't think they're "against us" any more than they're "against" anything they perceive to be "not what nice people do" ... but their attitude is never to listen, seldom to think, rarely to properly consider the consequences and never, EVER, to accept that they're wrong.
Toak
FEMALE, BONDAGE-FRIENDLY MODEL SOUGHT. I am seeking to update my "How To" shibari bondage pictures (see my profile pics, the clothed blonde tied in red and black) with a model more "enthusiastic" about BDSM, and who is happy to be photographed nude. MEMO ME if this is you.

3 Jun 08, 10:50 AM
Grownup_Frankie
10 mths
this government will be against any group they think they can win mileage out of being against. witchhunts are always thus.
Sign porn petition (re CJIB & 'extreme images'! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/ Backlash: http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/index.html

3 Jun 08, 10:54 AM
spirifer
UK, 3 yrs

Tanos wrote:
I think Labour's attitude to the adults of this country is neatly summarised by their 2003 law against female genital mutilation:
"6 Definitions. (1) Girl includes woman."
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2003/ukpga_20030...
Regards,
Tanos

It could just have easily read "Woman includes girl", but since female genital mutilation is most commonly performed between the ages of four and eight, couching the legislation in terms of offences against "girls" seems more sensible, surely?
The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
You ever been rohypnoled by a swan, woke up in Cancun? Well, I have! And it ain't purty!

3 Jun 08, 10:57 AM
Tanos
UK(M), 11 yrs
Y!

spirifer wrote:

Tanos wrote:
I think Labour's attitude to the adults of this country is neatly summarised by their 2003 law against female genital mutilation:
"6 Definitions. (1) Girl includes woman."
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2003/ukpga_20030...
It could just have easily read "Woman includes girl", but since female genital mutilation is most commonly performed between the ages of four and eight, couching the legislation in terms of offences against "girls" seems more sensible, surely?
A girl is a type of woman, not vice versa: unless you think that adults are children.
Tanos
www.tanos.org.uk

3 Jun 08, 10:59 AM
spirifer
UK, 3 yrs

Tanos wrote:

spirifer wrote:

Tanos wrote:
I think Labour's attitude to the adults of this country is neatly summarised by their 2003 law against female genital mutilation:
"6 Definitions. (1) Girl includes woman."
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2003/ukpga_20030...
It could just have easily read "Woman includes girl", but since female genital mutilation is most commonly performed between the ages of four and eight, couching the legislation in terms of offences against "girls" seems more sensible, surely?
A girl is a type of woman, not vice versa: unless you think that adults are children.
Tanos

See above ^ ^ It's legislation speak, and when was that ever supposed to be logical?!
The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau
You ever been rohypnoled by a swan, woke up in Cancun? Well, I have! And it ain't purty!

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