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| 19 May 08, 10:59 AM x_Thunder_x UK(E), 9 yrs      |
Yes it is (see my post) ^Thunder^ | |||
| 19 May 08, 10:59 AM Degenerate  UK(M), 5 yrs   |
yes. glad you can support the Brum action getting off the ground PS you forgot cake - we're going to need cake - and I believe kinky Brum do good cake.
Damn we forgot to put *bring home made cake* on the flyer
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| 19 May 08, 11:02 AM Degenerate UK(M), 5 yrs |
ok here's a synopsis of what DS Wharton has to say this is from the Government consultation as posted by emark - not a press quote - the official party line of West Midlands police: West Midlands Police DS Keith Wharton (c2r175) Need to place a high statutary burden on the offender and let the courts use discretion based on the facts of the case. Those pushing the boundaries are time and time again leading to criminal offences against children and animals and although empirical data is poor those probabtion officers who I work with who are part of the sexual rehabilitation programme see pornography, especially of an extreme nature, as 'throwing fuel on the fire'. (He Wants to add to the list covered…. Dead animals, ritual beheadings etc and eating faeces and urine.) We have to bear in mind the suffering involved in forced rape and mutilation pornography. Organised crime is making a huge profit and some of this material is the physical evidence of the torture of unknown individuals. A ten year sentence is not excessive. There may be more work for HTCU who gather evidential material from computers. But only the Met Police (clubs and vice) and West Mids HTCPU atively prosecute opa 1959 and I don't forsee changes in this for uk law enforcement. Sign porn petition (re CJIB & 'extreme images'! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/ Edited 19 May 08, 1:21 PM by Degenerate | |||
| 19 May 08, 11:03 AM Degenerate UK(M), 5 yrs |
LOL. now I know I'm not a copper or anything so I am not an expert in these matters - but one would logically think that they should have done this FIRST!
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| 19 May 08, 11:58 AM emark UK, 9 yrs |
Then back to the West Midlands response which includes "Following the lead of the SOA 2003, I do not feel that a 10 year maximum for distribution is too strong - allow the court to decide on the facts." - yes, decide on the facts, what a refreshing change that would be! And just to sum up what he thinks: "2 years maximum sentence is derisory and shows no understanding of the issues involved." (No understanding of the issues, says Detective Inspector, Snuff Films Branch!) Does anyone know how common OPA prosecutions are? I mean, I thought they were rare these days, and I never see them in the news, but then you see police talking as if they routinely investigate "obscene" non-child images. I also find it worrying that police chiefs have such great contempt for people who use a defence of "They were not committing the crime", as if this were some great loophole. E.g., Keith Wharton says: "Remove the need for it to be a live animal and negate a strong line of defence." Yes, heaven forbid the police should do their job and find evidence that someone committed a crime! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/ - Petition against "extreme porn" law! Edited 19 May 08, 12:32 PM by emark | |||
| 19 May 08, 12:13 PM Degenerate UK(M), 5 yrs |
It concerns me deeply that a man, with such views (devoid of conclusive evidence) may be implementing the CJIA. Even if the people he arrests are found not guilty - their lives will already be destroyed. It can take 2 - 3 years to prove innocence. I think we should be aware though, that by now he may be reading this board. Remember with the book burning thread when it was asked if the police had been informed and I said they make sure to inform themselves (or someone who can see public discussion tells them). They were waiting for us when we arrived at The British Library with print outs from IC. Actually I think I ought to make a separate post about that. Some of these matters are best discussed privately between people who are going on the day, which is one of the reasons the full information of the location of the advice session, and time is not likely to be publicised here. De Sign porn petition (re CJIB & 'extreme images'! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/ Edited 19 May 08, 12:18 PM by Degenerate | |||
| 19 May 08, 12:14 PM Degenerate UK(M), 5 yrs |
Do others think it's acceptable to post an action notice in the Brum events thread? Don't want to spam the board, but aware that we need to ensure to involve local community people who don't go to the munches and BBB where people are already working on forming networks to take action. and they might like the read the extended quotes from someone responsible for implementing this in their area. Sign porn petition (re CJIB & 'extreme images'! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/ Edited 19 May 08, 12:15 PM by Degenerate | |||
| 19 May 08, 12:31 PM emark UK, 9 yrs |
That's er... worrying. Do the police routinely watch this forum, I wonder? Why? Which other forums do they watch? I don't know if there's anyway to make a forum on IC that is only viewable to logged in users, or a members only list? I think the software that runs the SeeNoEvil forums will allow that, so that could be another possibility to discuss something privately. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/ - Petition against "extreme porn" law! | |||
| 19 May 08, 1:27 PM Degenerate UK(M), 5 yrs |
I think some stuff just needs to be discussed in person. any place we create to discuss this will be monitored to some extent I expect. that's how we do it in DAN. low grade stuff they can know what we're doing on in the public eye... some less sensitive stuff via private email (not websites or yahoo groups) ... and some in person and on the phone. We often dont state or decide the exact target until we're on the way there, for example, so it is selected with the best likelihood of success with up to date info. this means the police can follow, but not out manouver if we can keep the target quiet til we are going. The good news is there are various targets in every area and various ways to do things. I did set up a group to discuss activism but it is silent and small and nobody there responded to my question about what to use the group for now. the target is not fixed yet for this action. this is partly why. De Sign porn petition (re CJIB & 'extreme images'! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/ Edited 19 May 08, 1:28 PM by Degenerate | |||
| 19 May 08, 1:27 PM Misstrust UK, 4 yrs |
I know this wont be popular but in the end there are some not many who would be happy to inform the police from within IC.
Also it would be impossible to stop anyone signing up for IC who ever they maybe as it would clearly be difficult to police MT |
