25 Mar 08, 2:55 PM
StanBWonderful
UK(L), 6 yrs
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syndee wrote:
Little bits I found:
http://gos.sbc.edu/p/peachum.html
http://www.submissivewomenspeak.net/jon.htm on which, strangely, I discovered this :"To put all conspiracy theroies and muckraking by quacks to rest and to satisfy the obsessively curious, Jon has fully admitted to anyone who bothered to ask (and has never gone to much trouble to hide the fact) that he writes or has written under at least the following pen names at various times: Jon Jacobs, Rosie, Countess VelVEEta, denis, Unda. Crucia. Eximius., Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Michael Bywater, Queen of Germany, and Tanos. Oh yeah, we almost forgot Jon's most important pen name: Polly Peachum!"
eh?
edited to bold cos like- if that is true, then why are we reading the article of a bonkersidiot?
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OMG he wrote under the pen-name 'Tanos' 
I posted this article because it was written by a bonkersidiot, although at the time I thought it was written by the slave of a bonkersidiot, but you know what I mean.
Violence in the Garden isn't just another essay, it's got it's own special place in the recent history of D/s. Turned out to be a total sham, even more so than I thought.
I don't believe in nothing no more, I'm going to law school! 
Stan We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not only because they are easy, but because they are hard.
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25 Mar 08, 3:16 PM
Peccavi
4 yrs |
StanBWonderful wrote:
syndee wrote:
Little bits I found:
http://gos.sbc.edu/p/peachum.html
http://www.submissivewomenspeak.net/jon.htm on which, strangely, I discovered this :"To put all conspiracy theroies and muckraking by quacks to rest and to satisfy the obsessively curious, Jon has fully admitted to anyone who bothered to ask (and has never gone to much trouble to hide the fact) that he writes or has written under at least the following pen names at various times: Jon Jacobs, Rosie, Countess VelVEEta, denis, Unda. Crucia. Eximius., Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Michael Bywater, Queen of Germany, and Tanos. Oh yeah, we almost forgot Jon's most important pen name: Polly Peachum!"
eh?
edited to bold cos like- if that is true, then why are we reading the article of a bonkersidiot?
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OMG he wrote under the pen-name 'Tanos'
I posted this article because it was written by a bonkersidiot, although at the time I thought it was written by the slave of a bonkersidiot, but you know what I mean.
Violence in the Garden isn't just another essay, it's got it's own special place in the recent history of D/s. Turned out to be a total sham, even more so than I thought.
I don't believe in nothing no more, I'm going to law school!
Stan
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I thought you were joining the Navy? Why the Author-bashing?? Leave hard-done-to writers, alone, I tell you! Every woman adores a fascist - Sylvia Plath
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25 Mar 08, 3:21 PM
StanBWonderful
UK(L), 6 yrs
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Peccavi wrote:
I thought you were joining the Navy? Why the Author-bashing?? Leave hard-done-to writers, alone, I tell you!
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I think hard-done-to writers should be beaten hard and often, but that's just me. We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not only because they are easy, but because they are hard.
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25 Mar 08, 3:29 PM
Tanos
UK(M), 14 yrs
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StanBWonderful wrote:
syndee wrote:
Little bits I found:
http://gos.sbc.edu/p/peachum.html
http://www.submissivewomenspeak.net/jon.htm on which, strangely, I discovered this :"To put all conspiracy theroies and muckraking by quacks to rest and to satisfy the obsessively curious, Jon has fully admitted to anyone who bothered to ask (and has never gone to much trouble to hide the fact) that he writes or has written under at least the following pen names at various times: Jon Jacobs, Rosie, Countess VelVEEta, denis, Unda. Crucia. Eximius., Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Michael Bywater, Queen of Germany, and Tanos. Oh yeah, we almost forgot Jon's most important pen name: Polly Peachum!"
eh?
edited to bold cos like- if that is true, then why are we reading the article of a bonkersidiot?
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OMG he wrote under the pen-name 'Tanos'
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I don't believe he did ever use my name. However, for a long time the top Google result for "jon jacobs" in a BDSM context was this page: http://www.enslavement.org.uk/jacobs
and as that notes, he certainly took some of my writing and put names of his various sock puppets on it 
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I posted this article because it was written by a bonkersidiot, although at the time I thought it was written by the slave of a bonkersidiot, but you know what I mean.
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I don't believe it was written by the slave of a "bonkersidiot". I believe it was written by the slave of someone who eventually fell to pieces.
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Violence in the Garden isn't just another essay, it's got it's own special place in the recent history of D/s.
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Regards, Tanos
www.tanos.org.uk
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25 Mar 08, 4:28 PM
Peccavi
4 yrs |
StanBWonderful wrote:
Peccavi wrote:
I thought you were joining the Navy? Why the Author-bashing?? Leave hard-done-to writers, alone, I tell you!
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I think hard-done-to writers should be beaten hard and often, but that's just me.
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You may have a point .... Every woman adores a fascist - Sylvia Plath
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26 Mar 08, 4:53 PM
annieanne
5 yrs |
StanBWonderful wrote:
Violence in the Garden
Ths sinister twist comes when you read beyond it and find out about the couple in question. The master in Violence in the Garden was a man called Jon Jacobs, he became notorious in the D/s community as a cult leader. He would draw in submissive women, separate them from their existing friends, family and partners and fill their heads with his own warped ideas.
So, how can you tell which M/s relationships are healthy and which are not? Do you ever stop to objectively ask yourself if your own relationship is healthy? Could it be possible that some people start their own mini two person cults without even realizing it?
Stan
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27 Mar 08, 6:50 AM
lili
UK, 12 yrs
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MasterJohnRC wrote:
So, we not only have a person with a multi personality disorder, BUT, one who exhibits his form or dominance as a domineer.
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Errmmm..using multiple "pen" names does not equate to "multi personality disorder".
MasterJohnRC wrote:
To squash, not build
To extenuate insecurities in those around him/her/"shim"
To make him/herself bigger at the expense of those within "its" field of influence.
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Again, this was not something Jon Jacobs did in the beginning, in fact it was very much his philosophy that TPE carried a great deal of responsibility for the Master in caring for and nurturing his slave.
In many ways that was what made him and polly so unique (relatively speaking) way back when there really wasn't so much around about 24/7 TPE (ownership based) relationships.
i think it's taken very much for granted these days that M/s and ownership orientated relationships are around, discussed and (relatively speaking) accepted (although there will always be an element of "it's not really real" arguments levied at them.) Back in the late 1990s/early 2000 that really wasn't the case and there were only a mere handful of people writing and talking about relationships which were based on the concept of ownership (and most of that was on mailing lists which, being unmoderated, involved flame wars like you wouldn't believe!)
MasterJohnRC wrote:
I'm sorry, you used this as your entry point to BDSM,, to me that smacks of absolute recklessness and shortsightedness.
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..and your comment here strikes me as you showing a real lack of understanding both of the needs of people seeking ownership and the general climate towards M/s people back then (which was "frosty" to say the least.)
Violence in the Garden was certainly my entry point into the idea that ownership could be something real (i'd already discovered BDSM and found it seriously lacking back then with regards to what knew that i needed from a relationship.)
It feels strange to me to be defending Jon Jacobs - however, where it is entirely true that he did have faults (many of which were exacerbated during the slow decline of his health) i do wonder if his extreme ill health had a significant part to play in the way he changed towards the end of his life. Nontheless, many of the things he and polly talked about turned out to have strong elements of truth and sage advice wrapped up in them. How they were presented and/or delivered was sometimes rather questionable, but then he wasn't presenting academic papers, he was pumping out his own set of ideas and like it or not, was successful to a great degree in opening up the concept of M/s to many women who had given up on the whole idea that it could actually exist.
lili x
"Show me the books he loves and I shall know the man far better than through mortal friends." (Dawn Adams)
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