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club severine (33)

This post is on the Birmingham (B) topics page and the BDSM Events web board.

2 Apr 08, 5:57 PM
Tamzin_Beauchamp
UK, 6 yrs
We will just carry on talking to the nice people in IC then.

In loving memory of a dear friend..April lear 1953-2008. Fondly remembered and very sadly missed...finally found peace my sweet.

2 Apr 08, 6:42 PM
zwarte
UK, 7 yrs
Does that mean you will ignore yourself?

I've been talking to dead rabbits and feeding bloody walls. I've done horrifying things with salad tongs. It's really eaten into my social life.

2 Jun 08, 2:59 PM
sophiehawthorne
4 yrs
phoenix wrote:
My criticisms of Severine are all based on the facts as I see them and therefor in my humble opinion constructive.

'IT IS SHIT' is not a criticism or fact.

Fact, I didn't say anything of the sort!

phoenix wrote:
I, speaking for myself have no wish to descend to witless sarcasm and sycophantic tirades.

Then why do it.

Would like to know where I did do it?

The main point I made in my posts is that they only represent my own opinion and no one else's.

phoenix wrote:
As for talking to the club organizers, I do not pay money to discuss the practical points of how a venue is run. Indeed, the last person I saw complain was told "If you don't like it theres the door"!

The Organizers are precisely the people you should be speaking too!

Apparently a few customers tried to do precisely this and received short shrift which seems to account for the present situation.

phoenix wrote:
Also one of he contributers to this thread admits to the fact they have never been to the club in which case I fail to see the relevance of their opinion concerning the issue in question although I accept their right to air their views.

His point was about your aggressive attitude and the tone of your post, and pointing out the dedication of some organizers, and therefore his point was very relevant.

I believe I made my point forcefully but not aggressively.

phoenix wrote:
Personally I share the philosophy espoused by Voltaire that "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

OMG I don't believe you have the cheek to say that, take another look at you posts.

Who's being rude and aggressive now? The forums here are supposed to provoke debate, i.e. the expression of individuals and I accept this with good grace.

phoenix wrote:
Constructive criticism is criticism that offers a suggestion as to how to remedy the shortcomings being discussed. I did offer my opinions as to how things could be improved but they seem to have landed on deaf ears.

You have said that you have not spoken to the organizer, so who's ears are deaf?

Point taken, but judging by what I was hearing at the most resent BBB speaking to the organisers wasn't very helpful. Please refer to the earlier part of this post.

phoenix wrote:
To all of you hiding behind faceless IC profiles, devoid of pictures and names please bare in mind that I have the courage of my convictions and so use my real name and have pictures of myself posted here.

Sophie

Well Sophie, we have met, at my party. Although I don't remember inviting you...but I welcomed you and accepted you both as guests. I like many others on IC do not have pictures on our profile, to protect ourselves and families from the outside world. I am well known within the community and respected for my support for the community, and I strongly resent your assumption that I have something to hide or that my opinions are not valid because I choose not to have a picture on my profile.

I have met you in real life so I wonder why you thought I was referring to you? I was actually annoyed with a few of the other contributers who were just plain unpleasant. When we met at your party we had been invited by Big John and as far as we were concerned we believe that our invites were legitimate. "I like many others on IC do not have pictures on our profile, to protect ourselves and families from the outside world. I am well known within the community and respected for my support for the community, and I strongly resent your assumption that I have something to hide or that my opinions are not valid because I choose not to have a picture on my profile." I can appreciate your wish to maintain your privacy and that is clearly your right but as I know you how could I be referring to you? I think I made it clear in my posts that yours and the other contributers opinions are all valid. I don't understand how you can want to keep your identity private and say that you are not hiding anything. I'm not criticising you but you must see that your statement is fundamentally in conflict with the facts. I do have a family too but fail to see how my activities could cause them any problems and believe that the more we retreat into the anonymous world of internet "nom de plume" the outside world will always regard us with distaste and fear. Before you say anything, I just believe that I should present myself in this way. You are in no way wrong in maintaining you privicy.

Also if you are so right in your stance, where is the support for your opinions on this thread...I think you are very wise not to post again.

To answer your question, a lot of people had expressed the same opinion of Severine that I hold but due to seeing the abuse I have been subjected to declined to air them here. We can now see that there must have been something in the stance I have taken judging by what has transpired, i.e. people have voted with their feet and the event is now to be held at DV8 in future under new management!

I did think that the last line of your post was a bit rude and that is why I feel compelled to add this post to my previous contributions.

I hold no grudge or wish to offend you by anything I have said here and on the contrary you have been more than pleasant in all our other correspondence, I indeed regard you with the greatest respect and regard you as a friend.

Sophie.

In fond memory of April Lear 1953-2008 I may never have met you, but i owe you everything that makes my world complete...sleep well.

Edited 2 Jun 08, 3:34 PM by sophiehawthorne

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