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| 2 Mar 08, 11:20 PM mini_velvet UK(EH), 6 yrs  |
Yours may do, the author of that blog doesn't. Easy? You men have no idea what we're dealing with down there. Teeth placement,and jaw stress, and suction, and gag reflex, and all the while bobbing up and down, moaning and trying to breathe through our noses. Easy? Honey,they don't call it a job for nothing! | |||
| 2 Mar 08, 11:25 PM stormgirl US, 5 yrs  |
i disagree. duh.
not everything is peachy-keen. some things are not right. Pride and Elan | |||
| 2 Mar 08, 11:27 PM mini_velvet UK(EH), 6 yrs |
I agree completely, not everything is peachy keen. bad shit exists in the world, and I don't want to be cocooned from it or pretend it doesn't exist. I totally get people not having liked the blog, but the assumptions being made about the authors character are repugnant and completely ill informed. We are all meant to be adults, why do we need wrapped up in cotton wool? Easy? You men have no idea what we're dealing with down there. Teeth placement,and jaw stress, and suction, and gag reflex, and all the while bobbing up and down, moaning and trying to breathe through our noses. Easy? Honey,they don't call it a job for nothing! | |||
| 2 Mar 08, 11:32 PM stormgirl US, 5 yrs |
i dont know the author and have no opinion about the author, except that i want to stay the hell away from the author, which i shall. just wanted to say, its not personal. cotton wool - dont we already know this stuff, and more? dont we know too much about it? dont we know it is happening now, and will not stop unless we want it stopped? Pride and Elan | |||
| 2 Mar 08, 11:44 PM serafina_pekkala 4 yrs |
Art in all its forms is meant to provoke a reaction. Sometimes i think the reaction says more about the person reacting than it does about the art or the artist. I found the piece very disturbing myself and not one i would seek out to read. Being aware of man's inhumanity to man does not mean that i have to be reminded by reading graphic fiction or watching films like Hostel or the Devils Rejects. Mr Strapp has produced a very thought provoking piece of work and he chose to put it here, and i will defend his right to do so. I don't like the piece, but that's because my interpretation of it is one of extreme non consensual violence. But that is just my interpretation and that is the beauty of art; that we are able to interpret it according to our own frames of reference. He has provoked a response and I have no idea who he is or what his motivation in posting was, but I do find it even more disturbing that some people on this site considered it erotic and 'hot'. serafina
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| 2 Mar 08, 11:57 PM kisses_for_me UK, 5 yrs |
Two points, As regards information, I presume you will never buy a nother newspaper or watch a TV news show? As to understanding people. I did things just as reprehensible, perhaps even worse according to some folks. Do you understand me? Do you even know me? Do you know why I did what I did? Do you really want me to die? It's easy to tell the difference between right and wrong. What's hard is choosing the wrong that's more right. | |||
| 3 Mar 08, 12:58 AM Sorceror UK(HU), 9 yrs |
Difficult. Difficult because BDSM eroticises what if non-consensual would be abuse - rape, imprisonment, torture, humiliation. I remember spitting venom, metaphorically, about an image on Bondage.com of a woman with a blade through her eye and another in her guts. How would the libertarians feel about the right of a child killer to post here an account of how he abused and killed that child ? Yet some branches of ultra feminism would suppress any account of a woman subjugating herself to any man as a pre-cursor to abuse. Personally I didn't like the story but for me it fell in the category of publish if you want but be prepared for the flame that follows. Strange because recently I described a scenario nearly as intense (no substantial injuries however) to a sub friend who stimulated herself to two orgasms whilst I recounted what I was going to do to her. I can't think of a consistent and logical place to draw the line but in my view there is, and has to be, a line where acceptable comment ends. And this piece certainly comes close... S....x. | |||
| 3 Mar 08, 1:22 AM NiceToMice 4 yrs |
Thought this was a good well written piece, there are things here which need to be discussed, i.e., non consensual abuse, violence against women, socio/psychopaths in the bdsm community, other questions too, our right to make decisions for ourselves about what we can read, the thought police using violent porn as a reason to censor. I have met a couple of people like the male character in this story, (they just happen to have been men), but deeply fucked up ones, they exist but they are not necessarily the same people who would find this article erotic, everyone has sexual fantasies, some of us act them out with willing partners, some of use read or watch porn whatever, we are all voyeurs,vicarious violence on a thousand TV channels testifies to this. There are some good articles here on the CJB here... http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/
Good news for people who love bad news | |||
| 3 Mar 08, 1:37 AM xjames UK(SS), 5 yrs |
I would "feel" that the author has the "right" to post it. That's very different from saying that the the author IS right to post it. I would also say that Tanos/Admin has the right to take the post down. Mainly because it would be totally off topic for this site - whereas the blog that began this debate was reasonably within the realms of this site's remit. For the child killing post, I would also hope the IP address and other information would be passed to the police if there was a fair reason to believe that an actual event was being depicted. But I wouldn't want the work censored from all public view. Without hearing about such heinous things and thereby increasing our understanding of them, how can we work to prevent a recurrence? If some people get aroused by such things, we can't legislate against that. That's what the Criminal Justice Bill is attempting to do - to speculate about the mind of the viewer of "extreme" (and mainly staged) images and come to an automatic judgment that thoughts might be initiated or reinforced and lead to some heinous crime. Obligatory wanky Latin tagline: Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit Edited 3 Mar 08, 1:40 AM by xjames | |||
| 3 Mar 08, 2:04 AM emark UK, 9 yrs |
Are all fantisies or works of fiction depicting non-consensual acts wrong? You can compare to rape of a three year old, but what about rape or other non-consensual fantasies involving adults? Or a film where someone is killed? Recently there was a thread on kidnap and play rape - is that non-consensual too? I think most people realise that although it's a fantasy about a non-consensual act, everyone involved is nonetheless consenting.
Or if you think everything should be community standards - how about the viewers of this thread have a vote on what you've posted in your blog? Or what photos your have on your profile? Or what you write in these forums? By all means voice that you dislike what you read, but any sort of community control of everyone else's post will quickly degenerate into problems. And I'm sure your local bookstore will be full of fiction about violence involving men and women.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/ Edited 3 Mar 08, 2:17 AM by emark |
