submissive or bottom? (16)

"I learned what every dreaming child needs to know - no horizon is so far that you cannot see above or beyond it." ~ Beryl Markham (first pilot to cross the Atlantic solo the hard way - East to West)

So a submissive wishes to please more than a bottom? I guess there can be some truth in that, in that a bottoming/Topping is more about the moment than the relationship. But it all depends on what activities are done and between who as to how much the desire to please is involved. Sometimes a bottom would wish to please more just by making a cup of tea, than a sub who makes cups of tea for their Dom each day.

The Babylon project was our last best hope for peace. It failed.
In the year of the Shadow war it became something greater. Our last best hope for victory.
The year is 2260. The place, Babylon 5.

No idea at all, it was a genuine question picking up on something (the desire to please) which had been left out of the definitions put forward in the OP.

From which I infer that you don't see the desire to please as being distinctive.

Perhaps all we can say is that the terms bottom and submissive have come to be synonymous in present usage regardless of how they might originally have been intended.

"I learned what every dreaming child needs to know - no horizon is so far that you cannot see above or beyond it." ~ Beryl Markham (first pilot to cross the Atlantic solo the hard way - East to West)

Funnily enough the desire to please did not feature a lot in any of the bits and pieces that I read. If it had it would have been a very useful way to delineate but alas I found that it was not that simple! Perhaps that's in slavery 101? (must not go there, must not go there, must not go there)

I'm in my own world. It's Ok, they know me here.

I think the problem with that is that a submissive has to be in a relationship and so they are with someone they want to please, or hopefully are. Whereas a bottom isn't necessarily in a relationship and so could just be having a bit of fun with a friend or could be submitting to someone they love with all their heart, but due to circumstances can't be with and so are submissive for what time there is. Or they could be in a relationship with someone but it's mainly a play or occasionally kinky relationship. So I see the desire to please being something dependent on the situation rather than defining the situation.

The Babylon project was our last best hope for peace. It failed.
In the year of the Shadow war it became something greater. Our last best hope for victory.
The year is 2260. The place, Babylon 5.