UK ISPs to track websites visited (67)

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1 Mar 08, 1:46 AM
Doghouse_Reilly
UK(E), 3 yrs

Anybody who thinks they have any real privacy on the Internet is kidding themselves. Short of never having any accounts on anything, anywhere, and either using web cafes or public wifi networks almost everything you do is tracked somewhere.

1 Mar 08, 1:31 PM
Dommane
4 yrs
Would this prevent them knowing where you'd been?
I don't know enough about the technical details, but it seems it is used by those who dislike surveillance.
http://xerobank.com/xB_plus.html
$10 a month seems pretty cheap at the moment too- what exactly do yo0u get for that?
Can anyone more techno/net security literate expand on this?

1 Mar 08, 2:15 PM
MisterBear
UK(WA), 5 yrs

Dommane wrote:
Would this prevent them knowing where you'd been?
I don't know enough about the technical details, but it seems it is used by those who dislike surveillance.
http://xerobank.com/xB_plus.html
$10 a month seems pretty cheap at the moment too- what exactly do yo0u get for that?
Can anyone more techno/net security literate expand on this?

I think it should stop them copying the pages you go to, but not sure if it will stop them knowing where you've gone. If when you log in you go to their server and then any browsing beyond that is routed through their server and it's all encrypted then it should stop them. However the Internet isn't my strong point.
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1 Mar 08, 2:15 PM
FaerieCatcher
UK(BN), 2 yrs

Tanos wrote:
It would defeat the ISP's attempts to collect your viewing history though, especially if you access the proxy via HTTPS or some other secure channel.
any plans to enable https on IC? that would add a degree of privacy-protection from the ISPs for IC users who opted in.
Catcher

1 Mar 08, 4:41 PM
infernal1
11 mths
Tanos wrote:
UK ISPs to track websites visited
"three big ISPs, BT, Carphone Warehouse and Virgin Media have announced plans to use your clickstream data to insert relevant ads as you surf through a new startup called Phorm."
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/18/...
That means they will record all the sites you visit and sell the data to Phorm, who will then display relevant ads when you look at sites that get their ads from Phorm.
Obviously, a financially profitable database of every site you've looked at has other implications given Labour's anti-SM agenda
Regards,
Tanos

I am slightly mystified by this: In my home, for instance, 3 or 4 people surf behind my firewall, but I have only one public address. In addition, I have deliberately left my wireless open, so if anyone surfs dodgy sites, they would never be able to prove it was me. My signal is usable by about 5 households (although I am monitoring it to check that usage is reasonable). Many others are in exactly the same situation, so I am slightly mystified as to how they can collect this data. If they are planning to use MAC addresses, these can also easily be spoofed.
All they would get from my network is that someone on that network surfs a large number of spanking sites, but they would never be able to say it was me. (Ahem).. Still, if I start getting spanking ads, I won't complain.

1 Mar 08, 5:05 PM
kisses_for_me
UK(IP), 2 yrs
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infernal1 wrote:
I am slightly mystified by this: In my home, for instance, 3 or 4 people surf behind my firewall, but I have only one public address. In addition, I have deliberately left my wireless open, so if anyone surfs dodgy sites, they would never be able to prove it was me. My signal is usable by about 5 households (although I am monitoring it to check that usage is reasonable). Many others are in exactly the same situation, so I am slightly mystified as to how they can collect this data. If they are planning to use MAC addresses, these can also easily be spoofed.
All they would get from my network is that someone on that network surfs a large number of spanking sites, but they would never be able to say it was me. (Ahem).. Still, if I start getting spanking ads, I won't complain.
I think you may find, that if you really dig into the T&C of your contract that the person named on the contract is deemed responsible.
Personally, I wouldnt allow anyone outside my house to access my network, so I use a secure protocol as well as MAC lists to restrict usage.
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1 Mar 08, 5:13 PM
infernal1
11 mths
kisses_for_me wrote:

infernal1 wrote:
I am slightly mystified by this: In my home, for instance, 3 or 4 people surf behind my firewall, but I have only one public address. In addition, I have deliberately left my wireless open, so if anyone surfs dodgy sites, they would never be able to prove it was me. My signal is usable by about 5 households (although I am monitoring it to check that usage is reasonable). Many others are in exactly the same situation, so I am slightly mystified as to how they can collect this data. If they are planning to use MAC addresses, these can also easily be spoofed.
All they would get from my network is that someone on that network surfs a large number of spanking sites, but they would never be able to say it was me. (Ahem).. Still, if I start getting spanking ads, I won't complain.
I think you may find, that if you really dig into the T&C of your contract that the person named on the contract is deemed responsible.
Personally, I wouldnt allow anyone outside my house to access my network, so I use a secure protocol as well as MAC lists to restrict usage.

My point is, I would just plead ignorance, and then there would be very little that could be done. Having said that, I never surf sites which would be illegal anyway: I think there is now tolerance of all things spanking, as long as the people involved are adults, so I don't really have a problem.

1 Mar 08, 5:36 PM
Sir_Simo
UK, 11 mths
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infernal1 wrote:

kisses_for_me wrote:

infernal1 wrote:
I am slightly mystified by this: In my home, for instance, 3 or 4 people surf behind my firewall, but I have only one public address. In addition, I have deliberately left my wireless open, so if anyone surfs dodgy sites, they would never be able to prove it was me. My signal is usable by about 5 households (although I am monitoring it to check that usage is reasonable). Many others are in exactly the same situation, so I am slightly mystified as to how they can collect this data. If they are planning to use MAC addresses, these can also easily be spoofed.
All they would get from my network is that someone on that network surfs a large number of spanking sites, but they would never be able to say it was me. (Ahem).. Still, if I start getting spanking ads, I won't complain.
I think you may find, that if you really dig into the T&C of your contract that the person named on the contract is deemed responsible.
Personally, I wouldnt allow anyone outside my house to access my network, so I use a secure protocol as well as MAC lists to restrict usage.

My point is, I would just plead ignorance, and then there would be very little that could be done. Having said that, I never surf sites which would be illegal anyway: I think there is now tolerance of all things spanking, as long as the people involved are adults, so I don't really have a problem.

Pleading ignorance is not an option. There was recently a case where a mother was convicted of downloading illegal music that her daughter was downloading. The mother didn't have a clue about what her daughter was doing until she was up in court and the logs were read/handed out as proof. Subsequently she was fined about �3000 and banned from her ISP at the time.
It is the person that signs the contract for their connection to the ISP that is responsible in whole.
Also infernal1, you say that you don't visit illegal sites, do you know what your neighbours are doing on the internet, using your connection that has your name on the ISP logs?
I strongly disagree with having others share anyone's internet connection unless you know 110% of what they are doing on the net. This also stems to other things like downloading torrents, messenger services, chat rooms etc. If you are keeping logs, what logs are you keeping and checking? Do you know every key press from their computer(s)? Do you have the ability to log everything from within a java or flash chat room?
What you are doing is an extreme risk to yourself.
Edited for grammer
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Edited 1 Mar 08, 5:37 PM by Sir_Simo

1 Mar 08, 5:52 PM
tom_tom
UK(SO), 3 yrs
The technical details are here.
If Virgin Media implements this then I'll be looking for a new ISP.
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1 Mar 08, 6:02 PM
emark
UK, 5 yrs Thanks for the link. Just to clarify, it says:
It will not be "injecting" anything into your internet connection, as some commenters on our previous stories have suggested.
But even so, the other aspects still seem worrying.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/extreme-images/

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