UK ISPs to track websites visited (67)

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19 Feb 08, 3:25 PM
la_statuesque
UK, 8 yrs
I'm confused. How did we get from a. (Virgin etc tracking our website visits) to z. (Conspiracy Theories). And can i use this as a platform to have my own rant about the NHS ?????
la_statuesque.

bedsguy40 wrote:
No, World Socialism is almost upon us, they Know we are onto them and they are desperate to shut down the Net or start closing down people on a variety of charges.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-dPhymHlcwU EU Referendum Revolt
The EU Is a Gulag.
Our Parliament is a charade, bought and paid for by the Global Elite.
9/11 and 7/7 were Inside Jobs, check this out on the Net the Media is ALL part of the cover up.
Watch the Building fall, Never before in History has a Steel structured Building collapsed due to fire because the Fire is not hot enough to Melt the steel to make it collapse. Yet on 9/11 THREE Steel Buildings collapse, at free fall speed, neatly into their Own FootPrints http://www.911blogger.com/node/6054
Larry Silverstein (who bought the Buildings 6 weeks before 9/11 AND Insured them against terrorist attacks [How lucky was that] ) saus the Buildings were Pulled. Now the Word 'Pull' is a demolition term which means, Demolish. A building of this size would take literally weeks to prepare for demolition, this begs the question then, When was it prepared. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC0qGJ3M7KI
The BBC and Fox News Reported the collapse of Building 7 20 Minutes before it did, in fact on her report. the building can be seen behind her. When Questioned Over this, the BBC say they have now LOST their 9/11 tapes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/pa...
Many thousands of Scholars Question this, Jet fuel Does NOT Burn hot enough to Melt steel. http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidt...
German Secret service and the Ex Italian PM says that Intellligence agencies know 9/11 was an Inside Job http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december200... Japanese Parliament questions 9/11 and calls the official version of events a 'FairyStory' http://www.911blogger.com/node/13392 http://www.911blogger.com/node/13340 http://www.911blogger.com/node/12215

Edited 19 Feb 08, 3:43 PM by la_statuesque

19 Feb 08, 3:34 PM
Andromalius
UK(M), 4 yrs

None of the conspiracy stuff matters. Who cares who killed who, or why some buildings collapsed?
The point we should ALL care about, is our own rights, and the effect all of this is having on our society. The causes are irrelevant now. The fact is our ancient freedoms have been eroded, our rights removed one by one, normally to the hysterical tabloid frenzy of 'paedophile' or 'terrorist' instead of pointing out that removing an inalienable right from one section of society, no matter how repugnant, instantly destroys its status as an inalienable right.
Free speech is free speech, not free so long as it doesn't offend.
Free thought is free thought, not free so long as it harbours no desire or intent that contradict with List X.
Habeas Corpus rights of citizens are universal, not a right unless some shadowy figure decrees you're on list Y.
Those are the things we should worry about. The causes of our sorry state are manifold, but also irrelevant. It's whether we as a society can find the strength and the will to do as previous generations have done, and put everything on the line for our collective freedoms. Sadly, I doubt it.
She asked for a Gestapo Interrogation scene, so I put needles under her nails, broke her legs and had her shot at dawn.

19 Feb 08, 4:13 PM
slutboy33
UK(CH), 2 yrs
Y!
Well i always thought they tracked were you went what you did on the net.
i know my friend got website and if you go on it you accept prgrams without you knowing which track your internet usage. He done this and shown me what websites i been on for the month and who i sent to emails to. But he also said it alot data to trawl through to look at, but if there artifical intelligence and computer alogrithams am sure this could be overcome to highlight intresting places you have visited depending on what you yourself are intrested in i,e marketuing companies want no what commercail sites you visisted and what you purchased then they traget your email and pop ups.
but hey i bet the americnas wish they could pull the plug on the internet there own invention to protect communication systems under a nuclear war. But now it to late the internet is econmic wonder that allows the eveloution of bussines to grow faster than ever transaction and communication of bussiness so much faster and revenue of the .com boom is still continues, and research is now shared world wide new ideas are communicated faster allowing the evolution of science the collabration of data findings allows for growth in uderstanding and new ideas good or bad.. But it also used to spread fear and hatred and allows organsitions to plan and implement attacks so much quicker and as they think anomousyly. Whats the big panic over BDSM you still have ya munchs and be able to practice what you want, it hink the law is passed for good reason.
the internet is the biggest spy in your house with out you knowing it, it feeds into millons homes and work places most have desginated ID and then also passord and id which leads to you the user lol.Soon you have ID cards which is your personal bio identity which be eventually linked to everything. With implementation of electronics they will know what you are buying, were You been you may shrug this off. But you been to supermarket were the checkout is fully automated, well just think of a system that uses eye recognition to identify who you are linked to main database which has your ID card details and allows all the food you have bought to be logged. And then also it will show were you been to buy the food, sounds good. But imagine that this country had to become self sufficent on food well the population defiently outsrips the demand for food hence the need for ratining of food and what else may you ask petrol,cloths, nhs,dental.
I would be worried about your civil liberties and your welfare first and my advice is dont accept the ID card as your own personal prison with out any walls and all the temptation.

20 Feb 08, 10:59 AM
Tanos
UK(M), 11 yrs
Y!

slutboy33 wrote:
i know my friend got website and if you go on it you accept prgrams without you knowing which track your internet usage. He done this and shown me what websites i been on for the month and who i sent to emails to. But he also said it alot data to trawl through to look at, but if there artifical intelligence and computer alogrithams am sure this could be overcome to highlight intresting places you have visited depending on what you yourself are intrested in i,e marketuing companies want no what commercail sites you visisted and what you purchased then they traget your email and pop ups.
Your friend Vicky Pollard?
I'm not so bothered about trojans and viruses put about by criminals: I am worried about corporations which are dependent for their survival on the goodwill of governments (3G licenses etc) maintaining centralised databases of this stuff.
Regards,
Tanos

www.tanos.org.uk

Edited 20 Feb 08, 11:00 AM by Tanos

20 Feb 08, 11:46 AM
doulos
UK, 3 yrs

bedsguy40 wrote:
No, World Socialism is almost upon us, they Know we are onto them and they are desperate to shut down the Net or start closing down people on a variety of charges.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-dPhymHlcwU EU Referendum Revolt
*Snip*

If only you had stuck with that, you would have been sane.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken

20 Feb 08, 12:03 PM
kisses_for_me
UK(IP), 2 yrs
Y!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7246403.stm
Now this seems to say that monitoring will not take place
".....laws on surveillance explicitly prohibited ISPs from inspecting the contents of data packets unless forced to do so by a warrant."
Although in the case of advertising this could be worked round by making it part of the T&Cs when signing up. Surfing history based advertising is nothing new.
There is an easy, although not very cheap way of dealing with most of this kind of monitoring, including perhaps the provisions of CJIB.
I think I saw a puddytat

20 Feb 08, 11:27 PM
SirOpenSource
UK(E), 3 yrs
Y!
mister_toad_uk wrote:

In the meantime, you can always use an anonymiser (just google for anonymous proxy), there are even some free ones. It's not a permanent solution as ISPs are aware of them and might block them, though.

Free anonymisers are a fallacy. It is similar to proxy servers, where they do the job but the provider retains download records. Using an anonymiser, such as secure tunnelling with encryption can be got round in the UK by the law that requires passwords to be surrendered. If the encryption is provided in a non-EU country along with the servers there is little can be done except to decode the data. This is undesirable due to cost and the time factor involved.
One solution that is becoming increasingly attractive is 'piggybacking' where an insecure terminals wireless connection is 'invaded' and used to illegally gain access to the I/net. This is illegal but that don't stop it!
SS
The blues is not about feeling good, it's about making others feel miserable and earning money while you're at it (Bleeding Gums Murphy-The Simpsons)
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21 Feb 08, 11:37 AM
Tanos
UK(M), 11 yrs
Y!

SirStrict43 wrote:

mister_toad_uk wrote:
In the meantime, you can always use an anonymiser (just google for anonymous proxy), there are even some free ones. It's not a permanent solution as ISPs are aware of them and might block them, though.
Free anonymisers are a fallacy. It is similar to proxy servers, where they do the job but the provider retains download records.
It would defeat the ISP's attempts to collect your viewing history though, especially if you access the proxy via HTTPS or some other secure channel. "Everything is known by someone, but we'd like no one to know everything."

Using an anonymiser, such as secure tunnelling with encryption can be got round in the UK by the law that requires passwords to be surrendered.
This approach wouldn't work, since it's a defence in the RIPA law to prove that you were no longer in possession of the key when they asked for it. You're not in possession of the SSL session keys after the session is discarded, and it's trivial to prove that your web browser works that way (they all do.)

If the encryption is provided in a non-EU country along with the servers there is little can be done except to decode the data. This is undesirable due to cost and the time factor involved.
To put it mildly for 128-bit keys...
Regards,
Tanos
www.tanos.org.uk

21 Feb 08, 12:48 PM
SirOpenSource
UK(E), 3 yrs
Y!
Tanos wrote:

SirStrict43 wrote:

mister_toad_uk wrote:
In the meantime, you can always use an anonymiser (just google for anonymous proxy), there are even some free ones. It's not a permanent solution as ISPs are aware of them and might block them, though.
Free anonymisers are a fallacy. It is similar to proxy servers, where they do the job but the provider retains download records.
It would defeat the ISP's attempts to collect your viewing history though, especially if you access the proxy via HTTPS or some other secure channel. "Everything is known by someone, but we'd like no one to know everything."

Using an anonymiser, such as secure tunnelling with encryption can be got round in the UK by the law that requires passwords to be surrendered.
This approach wouldn't work, since it's a defence in the RIPA law to prove that you were no longer in possession of the key when they asked for it. You're not in possession of the SSL session keys after the session is discarded, and it's trivial to prove that your web browser works that way (they all do.)

If the encryption is provided in a non-EU country along with the servers there is little can be done except to decode the data. This is undesirable due to cost and the time factor involved.
To put it mildly for 128-bit keys...
Regards,
Tanos

If you use encrypted traffic it could be argued in law that you have a reason for it i.e. online banking. If you are logged on to a dodgy server that previously has held , shall we say less than honourable content as many news servers do it would not be unreasonable to question what you were looking for. When your hard drive is inspected all your dodgy downloads are there to see and you are up to your neck in it.
The secret is to download in small quentities, not store the data on your hard drive and wipe and overwrite it regularly. With law enforcement agencies having finite resources there is no ultimate solution better than being not worth investigating.
SS
The blues is not about feeling good, it's about making others feel miserable and earning money while you're at it (Bleeding Gums Murphy-The Simpsons)
www.Londonmunch.co.uk
http://wintolin.org - for the Windows user who wants a change

21 Feb 08, 2:16 PM
nw_dom_guy
UK(OL), 3 yrs
Y!
I've learned a new word...
'forensicate'
However... to quote the immortal Inigo Montoya...
'You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means'
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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