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Do female subs ever pay a male Pro Dom? (57)

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21 Dec 07, 10:57 AM
StrangeAngle
UK(E), 4 yrs
I understand yr feelings and they are valid but I think you can get intimacy from a total stranger, paying for it in such blunt terms is really not that much different from the old fashioned vanilla dinner date with expected sex afterwards.

sefaslave wrote:
Not sure - well i guess because i dont see it as something that can be as good if its paid for - not sure what gives me that idea really. Maybe intimacy?

21 Dec 07, 10:57 AM
Pierced_Knight
5 yrs
I still think that this rather controversial point of view has some weight behind it when considering male/female clients for Pro Domination...

It is a fact that our society has come from one where male domination has been almost the 'norm'. Although things are a lot better these days, women have had to work damned hard for equality in most things; voting, pay, careers, heads of households, etc. Therefore male domination has been woven into the fabric of our society. Male domination has been an unspoken *reality*.

Surely, this would then mean that female domination has not been a historical part of our societal reality. This would make it a *fantasy*.

In my opinion, this is why male submissives are more likely to pay for Pro Domination over female submissives. Male subs are paying for a mindset that is a fantasy compared to the mindset that is lived out in the vanilla world. Why would female subs pay for such a service when it has been programmed into us since birth that women have to (and have) fought for equal rights alongside men.

Obviously there are many other factors that affect the difference in sexes that pay for Pro Domination, however, I truly believe that this is quite a major influencing factor.

Regards,

Pierced Knight.

Educate to Liberate! Liberation through Education!

21 Dec 07, 11:03 AM
StrangeAngle
UK(E), 4 yrs
Because they are insecure in the public "scene", have a vanilla partner they love and have an agreement to see Pro-Doms to meet thier D/S needs, the Pro-Dom has a skill that they can't find elsewhere, they can state exactly what they need and get it rather than having to negotiate or just put up with what they get?

Or they have a "paying for it" fantasy.

Pierced_Knight wrote:
I still think that this rather controversial point of view has some weight behind it when considering male/female clients for Pro Domination...

It is a fact that our society has come from one where male domination has been almost the 'norm'. Although things are a lot better these days, women have had to work damned hard for equality in most things; voting, pay, careers, heads of households, etc. Therefore male domination has been woven into the fabric of our society. Male domination has been an unspoken *reality*.

Surely, this would then mean that female domination has not been a historical part of our societal reality. This would make it a *fantasy*.

In my opinion, this is why male submissives are more likely to pay for Pro Domination over female submissives. Male subs are paying for a mindset that is a fantasy compared to the mindset that is lived out in the vanilla world. Why would female subs pay for such a service when it has been programmed into us since birth that women have to (and have) fought for equal rights alongside men.

Obviously there are many other factors that affect the difference in sexes that pay for Pro Domination, however, I truly believe that this is quite a major influencing factor.

Regards,

Pierced Knight.

21 Dec 07, 11:09 AM
jazzpiano
UK(KT), 4 yrs

Pierced_Knight wrote:
I still think that this rather controversial point of view has some weight behind it when considering male/female clients for Pro Domination...

It is a fact that our society has come from one where male domination has been almost the 'norm'. Although things are a lot better these days, women have had to work damned hard for equality in most things; voting, pay, careers, heads of households, etc. Therefore male domination has been woven into the fabric of our society. Male domination has been an unspoken *reality*.

Surely, this would then mean that female domination has not been a historical part of our societal reality. This would make it a *fantasy*.

In my opinion, this is why male submissives are more likely to pay for Pro Domination over female submissives. Male subs are paying for a mindset that is a fantasy compared to the mindset that is lived out in the vanilla world. Why would female subs pay for such a service when it has been programmed into us since birth that women have to (and have) fought for equal rights alongside men.

Obviously there are many other factors that affect the difference in sexes that pay for Pro Domination, however, I truly believe that this is quite a major influencing factor.

Regards,

Pierced Knight.

Well put mon brave! I think you have hit the nail on its head!

Only 1 in 10 people really understand binary

21 Dec 07, 11:15 AM
newexperiences
UK, 5 yrs
i would also agree with you StrangeAngle,a connection can and does exist with pro Dom(mes)and some subs are even invited to become friends,i know of one where the Domme made a personal sub out of a previously paying client,i suppose it does depend on the Dom(me) and the subs personalities though

StrangeAngle wrote:
I understand yr feelings and they are valid but I think you can get intimacy from a total stranger, paying for it in such blunt terms is really not that much different from the old fashioned vanilla dinner date with expected sex afterwards.

sefaslave wrote:
Not sure - well i guess because i dont see it as something that can be as good if its paid for - not sure what gives me that idea really. Maybe intimacy?

21 Dec 07, 1:38 PM
Jahc101
4 yrs
£
Another thread on this! Here's a couple of previous ones.

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/boards/mistress...

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/boards/mistress...

Pro-Jahc, the thinking person's anti-depressant!

21 Dec 07, 1:49 PM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

Jahc101 wrote:
Another thread on this! Here's a couple of previous ones.

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/boards/mistress...

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/boards/mistress...

Not only do you like roping in and tying up subs you also like roping in and tying up threads :D

The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there. LP Hartley
http://www.ladyanna.co.uk/

21 Dec 07, 2:47 PM
CuffSnapper
UK, 8 yrs
I'm sure most women can find a queue of competent men willing to indulge their fantasies free of charge. Many would be happy to pay the costs of meeting and perhaps more if she's feeling mercenary. There may be a market for a few male pro-doms with rare skills or who are recouping the price of their specialised equipment. On the whole though, the financial side is about supply and demand, and we all know which side the gap is on in bdsmland. (I'm ignoring gay and lesbian encounters today, as this is a point about gender differences.)
21 Dec 07, 3:09 PM
IndelibleMarker
UK(E), 6 yrs


CuffSnapper wrote:
I'm sure most women can find a queue of competent men willing to indulge their fantasies free of charge. Many would be happy to pay the costs of meeting and perhaps more if she's feeling mercenary. There may be a market for a few male pro-doms with rare skills or who are recouping the price of their specialised equipment. On the whole though, the financial side is about supply and demand, and we all know which side the gap is on in bdsmland. (I'm ignoring gay and lesbian encounters today, as this is a point about gender differences.)

Supply and demand is very true but there IS a demand just under the surface - I'm forever hearing from submissives of all ages complaining that all the Dominants they meet either aren't Dominant at all or are just simply useless, in one way or another, at being in control.

The good ones get snapped up quickly and decent Dom's are almost as rare as decent Dommes. I know lots of beautiful and intelligent submissives of all ages who are crying out for someone to take control with nobody capiable or compitent enough of taking on the task in sight. Many people don't know what control is beyond hitting someone with a flogger and muttering the cliches of "it's not about sex" and "you have to control their mind" without ever actually understanding what they mean.

Also let us not forget the gender based stigmas of society that still apply within the scene: It's acceptable for men to fart but not for women. It's acceptable for a women to use sex toys but not for men. It's acceptable for men to pay for escorts/Domination services etc but not for women.

Maybe they shouldn't but those stereotypical 'rules' do have an impact.

Tuam matrem feci,
Patrick
IndelibleMarker

21 Dec 07, 3:54 PM
masterofpuppets
UK(MK), 5 yrs

There was one lady advertising on this site for a pro Dom but I beleive it's far more common for women to pro sub than to go to a pro Dom. I might be wrong but then, I will happily Dom for free ( despite being Scottish ).

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