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IC : Weblogs : flirtycrazykinky : "After Market Fetish Party"
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After Market Fetish Party (38)

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2 Nov 07, 12:32 AM
Tara_Red*
UK(B), 22 mths
£
MissKitty wrote:
The mention of low attendence is concerning and I am sure there will be quite a few people who will miss it when it is gone.

The times I've gone has always been busy with all the equipment being used and most of the seats taken up, so I wouldn't say the attendance is THAT low!

2 Nov 07, 12:36 AM
Tara_Red*
UK(B), 22 mths
£
MagicBuddha wrote:
No Dungeon Monitors needed? In a club setting I think they're essential.

I'd say in a larger club setting their essential especially when letting in a lot of single men or lots of young clubbers, but not for Severine - were all dreadfully well behaved and there's far too many people sitting close who would have a word if something was amiss.

2 Nov 07, 12:40 AM
Tara_Red*
UK(B), 22 mths
£
Diaphanous wrote:
Unfortunately we won't be able to attend the Nov. event either, but ought to be back in December.

Oh good I'll see you 2 there! But I won't get within tickling distance this time lol.

Each club has its own fans, and each clubs has its own whingers, mostly Sev is good I enjoy it, but you can't please everyone all the time I guess.

2 Nov 07, 3:19 PM
John_Dietrich
UK, 2 yrs
Could you please send you e-mail to info@club-severine.com - so far i have received nothing from you!
2 Nov 07, 7:13 PM
flirtycrazykinky
UK(SK), 5 yrs

I have resent the email dated 24th October to info@club-severine.com .

I had originally sent the email to that address not sure why it has not reached you.

Please be assured I would never have simply written this weblog ,without informing Club Severine of the blog out of respect fck

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3 Nov 07, 1:42 AM
John_Dietrich
UK, 2 yrs
My name is John and I run Club Severine.

Please do not apologise for writing the review of Severine. You are entitled to your opinions, I just don't happen to share them. However, I do find it odd that you did not bring any of these things to my attention on the night but preferred to air your views online, under the guise of a pseudonym. This make me think you have an agenda. Your comments have been noted. I'm sorry you did not enjoy you evening and will not be returning to the club but Severine has a character of its own and obviously it was not to your taste. It does not aspire to be Torture Garden or replicate any other fetish club. Incidentally, the admission price for a singe female is £7.50 and for a couple it is £15.00 – so you should have been charge £15.00. I don't usually reply to postings but fans of the club have criticised me for not replying to this one so I will reply to it online as you reviewed it in due course.

3 Nov 07, 2:46 AM
John_Dietrich
UK, 2 yrs
flirtycrazykinky wrote:
I have resent the email dated 24th October to info@club-severine.com .

I had originally sent the email to that address not sure why it has not reached you.

Please be assured I would never have simply written this weblog ,without informing Club Severine of the blog out of respect fck

Thank you for your letter – I will try to answer each point.

“I have never written anything negative about events that take place for the benefit of people in the BDSM Scene however in this case I feel compelled to review "Club Severine” The After Market Fetish Party.

I have been active on the BDSM scene for 7 years and have until very recently been to an event once a month at least ! This makes me like no other an expert but I do feel the knowledge of what a Player in the BDSM likes . The place I played for the first time in public was the BBB After Party when it was held at Supreme.”

Supreme or Xtasia was and is a swingers club. You did not seem to object to this fact yet you were very disparaging about the fact the Severine is based at a lap dancing club. Also, at Xtasia the only off street parking was in an extremely dimly lit car park on a closed supermarket.

***The many clubs I have been too have been well enjoyed as the space is generally thought out by Players themselves who know what is needed for a good event. Clubs need not be the most Professional Dungeon verifiably; one persons perfect play space is another's dump. Take for instance the club event created for Kinklusive, at the Men's Sauna in Manchester, previously had been used for a SM Dyke event that was well received and very much enjoyed by the majority. The dark tunnels and small private rooms gave the place a deeply sexy, impure vibration that brought out hard S/m and even harder sex. That said for Kinklusive however it was not as well liked by Fetish worshippers not intent on playing heavy, thus highlighting the disparate nature of opinion but I diverse.

Daddi Lee and I, due to personal physical problems had not been able to attend any event since Ceasers in December, much to our dismay. Making the effort finally we decided to visit Club Severine, to finally play and release the energy built up over these many months.

I do not know if I was swayed by the name attached to the event that enticed our choice but what was obvious was the clear exaggeration of the advertisement."

In what way is the advertising an exaggeration?

***Without a doubt the club was far easier to find and closer to the BBB than the previous venue, just 1.5 miles. The club was easily spotted though it seemed at night to be in a slightly dodgy area, people wandering between the cars looking in windows, making the area seemingly unsafe to leave your car. This is of course not something the owners of the event can do little about however, without obvious parking, leaving no choice but to leave our car quite some distance in a lay by, not an ideal location."

There a car park adjacent to the club that is well lit – no one to my knowledge in the 18 months were have ran Severine has anyone ever had their car damage or stolen. Cars parked in that area are about as safe as anywhere in the city – this strikes me as general paranoia.

***Continuing on, we made out way to the front door, and had to wait quite some time before it was opened. We actually thought perhaps we had got the wrong venue or maybe it had not opened yet! Registration was very simple however the flyer requested ID on first visit, we were simply asked to fill the form. The advertisement also boasts that Straight , Gay , Lesbian , Transvestite and Transgender were all welcome but we were charged as two single females (a higher rate) regardless that our registration stated we were a couple. We stressed we had never been to the event before , though no one offered to show us around the venue , simply telling us to go up the stairs, in the end we asked the bar staff even they were a little vague."

Most people arrive at around 5.30pm which probably explains why you have to wait for the door to be opened – the staff had obviously relaxed by 8.00pm and were settling in to enjoy the night. The charge for a single female is £7.50, the charge for a male is £12.50 and for a couple £15.00. Usually there is someone there to show new members around so this is not the normal situation. However had you have asked to be shown around I sure someone would have obliged.

***I was very surprised to see many people ordering copious amounts of alcohol such as many bottles of wine and such for a play event I would be more restrictive as we all know the dangers of S/m and booze.

It is up to each individual to decide how much they want to drink – if people start behaving in a irresponsible way they will be asked to leave – however, the situation has never occurred.

***The claims of "Luxury changing rooms” were inflated and not well signed posted with many asking, "where are the changing rooms?" only to be pointed to the Staff room.

The club management allow members to change in the dancers changing room where normally only staff are allowed – this seem a very unfair and petty observation.

***Looking around it was plain to see that the vent was taken place in a Gentlemen's club (strip joint),

Obviously, you prefer swingers clubs!

with the center stage complete with pole and many chairs positioned everywhere, one of a few plus point.

This "Professional Dungeon” was in fact a total of five pieces of dungeon equipment some even we were trying to figure out, such as a kneeling bench , St Andrew's Cross a double sided A frame and two others that were questionable. Without identifiable Dungeon Monitors it was quite a puzzle .The space could have been much better organized with seating moved to make space to play and placement of the furniture more carefully thought out. The equipment was so closely put together that you could neither raise a cane on the main floor or even think about using a flogger as the next piece was a mere 3 feet from the other piece and blocking the path to the ladies toilet! I can only surmise that stroking a fluffy BDSM must take place generally unless you were brave enough to go on the main stage for at least some arm swinging room.

There are seven pieces of substantial equipment, not five. The equipment has been supplied by some of the most respected manufacturers of dungeon furniture e.g. Pamela's Playroom, Very alternative furniture and some pieces to my own design. If members want to move equipment they can do so provided they ask and it does not become a hazard. I did a public caning myself earlier in the night and I had not problem swinging – on the very same equipment. The only thing that seems an exaggeration is your distorted and biased view of the club

***The private play areas consisted of the booths that during stripping hours clients pay to have a lap dance,

How awful – nasty men!

"with a single kneeling bench situated right next to the open exit door. I can only imagine that the door was open to allow those who smoked a place outside however the doors of the exit were situated off the main play space giving arctic like conditions, freezing! Those who know BDSM are aware that a warm play space is required to give a better ambience and comfort for submissive's when both half naked and during play! If you need a smoking place use another exit , not one so close to the play space , however if it cant be avoided use the large outdoor patio heaters to warm to exit and the play space !!"

With the smoking ban, this is a common problem that most clubs and pubs face – it is hardly worth mentioning.

"The music was much to be desired with "Je Taime" and "Savage Garden" giving the mood of the event, that akin to some very bad "making out music”. Not very sexy! Where these Strict House Mistresses were, I have no clue, again without any marking system it was difficult to point out who you may go up to if a newbie wanted to request play. What mistakes I wonder have occurred here?"

Lighting we can do something about it, equipment we can move – music is a matter of taste! Many people have come up to me and love the music – even asked me for CD's. It is an eclectic taste in music with something for everyone – Rammstein to Classic to Sinatra – so I disagree with your comments. House Mistresses are advertised on the Club Severine site but the choice whether to play or not is at the discretion of the mistress and not all mistresses can make every event.

***Considering we arrived at 8:00pm the venue was dead, only a handful of quiet people. Considering the venue closed at 11:30pm I was surprised only a few had attended however in retrospect I understand. The "Fetish Fashion Shows" and "Burlesque Cabaret along with "Impromptu Performances “were a mystery. No one had any idea when these scheduled shows should take place and I can only assume that the "Impromptu Performances” were the little play taking place. The "Strict Dress code" of no street clothes , jeans or trainers seemed very slack as quite a few single males were dotted about the event with street clothes on , as if the clients of the strip club had walked in off the street , unaware that this was meant to be a "FETISH Party" .

Play continued until 11.30pm as it always does. Any regular visitor to the club will have seen the above – pity you only ever came on the one occasion and the word is “Impromptu”.

As a female couple we were quite alarmed to note that when searching for a room temperature part to a club and possible play space , were promptly followed by three plain clothed single men , obviously wanting to get their rocks off watching too women ! This was very intimidating and annoying as where the DM's were, to monitor this behavior as they all loitered near us! We had had enough!"

There are no private areas of the club – the club is for everybody including, dare I say it, single men. Voyeurism at club Severine is not against the rules provided the people keep a least a 2 metres distance from the subject. It must also be remembered that being watched is part of the thrill – doing something daring in public otherwise stay at home!

I will be sending this to the event organizers much to my dismay my Dominants and personal opinions however I feel so strongly about this event I believe it is only fair and respectful to inform a negative review in the hopes of changes."

There is always scope for improvement at Severine and I will listen to criticism when it is constructive however I find many of these comments cynical, petty and ill-informed. I did not want to dignify this review with a reply however fans of the club were critical of me for not doing so.

Edited 3 Nov 07, 3:04 AM by John_Dietrich

5 Nov 07, 8:41 PM
the_saranwrap_kid
UK, 15 mths

Last month coincided with the Rope workshop at Caesars and probably was less well-attended than usual. The DMs were not in evidence - but to be honest the venue is quite small and anyone will point out the various areas to newbies if they ask.

Have been to Severine the last two months and found that John on our first visit and Andy last month was very friendly and listened to our views and criticisms regarding the positioning of the play equipment etc and will take the comments on board we hope.

On our first visit we had a warm welcome and an offer to show us around which wasn't required as Gaz and Dawn were with us and did the honours. The DMs were very visible. The first visit we made they had no dry cider apart from Magners, on my second visit they had got cider in especially for me and came to tell me this - which is great service.

We find we talk to a great many people out in the smoking area and have made some good friends, more so than we seem to do at munches etc.. We played for the first time last month - in one of the private booths admittedly.

Our only thoughts is that the day seems too long and in future we'll go for a meal first and turn up slightly later when more people are around and so we;ll feel like staying later and might even play in the more public area.

I was talking to friends the other night and we'd actually like Severine to host events twice a month. In our case Chris always works on Saturdays and we rely on others for transport so Caesars' (about the only alternative venue) is not an easy option. Also friends who have recently been to Caesar's were very disappointed in the general decor and in particular the dirty beds they put out. At least Severine has nice surroundings and could be made brilliant with a few minor changes (moving of equipment and some better lighting). Will make my own opinions of Caesars in a couple of weeks when we might manage to make it on a Friday.

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Edited 5 Nov 07, 8:53 PM by the_saranwrap_kid

5 Nov 07, 9:46 PM
flirtycrazykinky
UK(SK), 5 yrs

Dear John Dietrich

I would just like to say that although some of your comments were contray to the standards of behaviour for members of a profession such as yours , I will still respect you , regardless of personal impugn. It is quite understandable to react and defend Club Severine ,of which you are obviously very proud of and wish to protect.

Below is a summery ,of my own and other's suggestions for; as you requested ,constructive criticism:

***A Greeter in place for the carpark , who can advise and guide people to the event and show parking along with hightened security .An excellant liase with players that has been very succesful in other clubs such as "Nemesis"

***A review of current advertising may be in order as the flyer I have states a different price, taken from the BBB that very day . Perhaps a door closing time should be put into place so that the staff can settle in without being distrubed by people wanting entrance.

***Alcohol is ofcourse a personal limit for each person however a system witnessed in a private club event was a ticket system . Upon entry people were given a number of tickets which they exchanged when at the bar buying alcoholic drinks . Each Ticket represented a persons reccomended UNITS for which they may be able to drive after. This was again very succesful and not abused , helping to ensure SAFE play.

***Changing rooms perhaps could be sign posted so that people may find it better without misunderstandings.

***Equipment being moved by players is without a doubt very unsafe. It is generally accepted that a piece of equipment has been placed with purpose and for maximum space . To move equipment could be very dangerous and may cause obstructions even causing injury.I would not as a person who has been a DM not reccomend that of your patrons.

*** The smoking ban is ofcourse a problem for many clubs however many have adapted such as Club Lash , provided suitable smoking areas. It is worth mentioning as it has been commented on regarding the temperature. A reccomendation of using another area or if no , patio heaters to warm the play space up like other clubs have done so . This small change could make a huge difference to the ambience of the event for the comfort of your patrons , NOT to be ignored for personal indignation.

*** many people have expressed there opinions about the layout of the space which could be better organised. You mentioned that you played on the knealing benck which I happened to witness . People were heveing to carefully squeese past your scene space in order to reach the ladies toilets . This equipment was obviously in the wrong place obstucting the walkway to the smoking area also.

*** It is great that you have decided to look at the lighting for the event as this is something many have commented on . Music is very important however if the clients of Club Severine are generally very happy and content with the music then I retract my suggestion.

***House Mistresses may be advertised however it may be advisable to identify them or have some marking system in place so that people can see who they are NOT simply so that people can play with them at their choice.It is simply a suggestion !

*** Identifiable Dungeon Monitors are essential to any club and should never be looked over . Regardless of how small the space is ANY event worth its salt needs DM's to ensure safety and advise people , show how to use equipment and be there in case someone steps out of line.

*** Perhaps a schedule of the shows could be available so that full attention can be paid and so that the shows do not interupt the scenes taking place .

*** It is our mistake to imagine the booths and curtained areas are more private spaces . May I suggest private areas created like many clubs throughout the UK for a choice to your clients . We love to be watched and I enjoy exhibitionism greatly which on your part was very judgmental and an incorrect view of us due to our desire to play privatly that night.

On a personal level , we and many other found your comments such as "How awful – nasty men!" and "dare I say it, single men" discriminatory and dont make me state the obvious!!

Finally may I point out that in one sentence you say that "Club Severine has scope for improvement and that you will listen to criticicm " however in another you say that although I have opinions you do not share them.This suggests that although you get opinions and comments that contradict with your own opinions you are not willing to change the event regardless of your patrons suggestions.

May I point out that personal attacks are not a proffesional and correct response for an event organiser . My name like the majority of those on this site is in place to protect my private life . No one has the right to deprecate and judge me because I am not using my real name like yourself. Nor should my opinions be void because I used flirtycrazykinky . Equally my name on this site is known in the scene and online having been called this since I first came out on the scene over 6 years ago.

This comment needs no reply ,as I fear it will simply be a back and forth verbal disapproval and berating that need go no further . This weblog was one persons view that happened to be shared by some . It is your choice to take on boared some of the suggestions and reccomendations however in light of your recent reply it is dubious.

This club could be GREAT even the BEST place for PLAYERS, with only very SMALL changes , please put your egotism aside and pride becaue I am not the ONLY person with these opinions . Make Club Severine SURPASS peoples expectations and make it the LEADING event available !!!!!!!

The counter is up to near 2000 views of this weblog .fck

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Edited 5 Nov 07, 10:05 PM by flirtycrazykinky

5 Nov 07, 11:32 PM
MissKitty
UK, 7 yrs

I think after reading all this I will make efforts to go along and see for myself. Such controversy actually has me intruiged and I hardly go anywhere outside my immediate locality!

I will see if I can get a lift to the BBB, have a meal and then pop along and see what all the fuss is about with an open mind. It will also unfortunately depend on finances as well, after my wedding they are rather clipped!

Curious....

Miss Kitty =^.^=
www.purgatory-club.co.uk
"It's better to be hated for who I am, rather than loved for who I'm not"

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