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Posted by Prunesquallor on Sun 21 Oct 07, 5:17 PM

... and I stopped watching at 5.15.

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21 Oct 07, 7:30 PM
Master_of_lb
UK, 20 mths

Prunesquallor wrote:
... and I stopped watching at 5.15.
Just caught the end of it. I used to watch GPs religeously (on My knees, hands folded in prayer, especially when Mansell was racing....), but this season I've missed every single one.
Not complaining, mind
... but shame to see LH lose out in the final race. It would have been a fairytale ending to the season. But hey - he'll be back.
Moflb
If you're asking that question, you'll never understand the answer.
You know, most people watch telly on Sunday afternoons...

21 Oct 07, 8:24 PM
Skyhook
UK(NG), 3 yrs

Prunesquallor wrote:
... and I stopped watching at 5.15.
Big F1 fan then?

"Me? I'm all about the hugs.
And cruelty. Hugs and cruelty basically."

21 Oct 07, 10:12 PM
Delphius1
UK(PO), 2 yrs
Y!

Prunesquallor wrote:
... and I stopped watching at 5.15.
I don't blame you. F1 this season has only reinforced my belief that it's about as sportsmanlike as WWF wrestling.
I mean, how likely is it that McLaren deliberately kept Hamilton out until his tyres were shagged? Which then suprisingly threw up a three-way decider at the last GP of the season. Up until that point, they were the most professional team in the paddock. Did they all just have brain fade? I can't see it myself.
I just can't help thinking that there was some deal done behind the scenes during the spying row on top of McLaren losing constructors points.
Look at it this way... if McLaren and it's drivers would have been disqualified, then there's a likelyhood that McLarens sponsors would sue the FIA for loss of earnings. As would the owners of the circuits remaining for the season, because removing McLaren would have gifted Ferrari the drivers title as well as the constructors. Therefore why would people go to the circuits to watch a one-horse race?
Instead, I can imagine a scenario where a compromise is negotiated to allow the McLaren drivers to continue racing essentially for the drivers title, but arrange things so that they are just pipped at the post. Thereby preserving the show and keeping everyone happy.

21 Oct 07, 10:34 PM
Prunesquallor
UK, 3 yrs
Skyhook wrote:
Big F1 fan then?

Unfortunately, yes.

21 Oct 07, 10:37 PM
Prunesquallor
UK, 3 yrs
Delphius1 wrote:
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Instead, I can imagine a scenario where a compromise is negotiated to allow the McLaren drivers to continue racing essentially for the drivers title, but arrange things so that they are just pipped at the post. Thereby preserving the show and keeping everyone happy.

Blimey, I thought I was cynical. Honestly, I can't see that happening, there are so many variables in F1. Even in that last race, it was still possible for either Alonso or Hamilton to win.

21 Oct 07, 10:50 PM
Skyhook
UK(NG), 3 yrs

From the FIA website:
The BMW Sauber and Williams teams are being investigated by Brazilian Grand Prix stewards over possible technical irregularities on their cars at the end of Sunday's Interlagos race. The enquiries are believed to relate to fuel temperatures.
Nico Rosberg finished fourth for Williams, with Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld fifth and sixth respectively for BMW Sauber. If they were to be disqualified, it would move McLaren's Lewis Hamilton up from seventh to fourth, making him world champion, rather than Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen.
"Me? I'm all about the hugs.
And cruelty. Hugs and cruelty basically."

21 Oct 07, 11:42 PM
mazzie_RB
UK, 4 yrs

Prunesquallor wrote:
... and I stopped watching at 5.15.
Don't lose hope or interest please kind man! I've been involved in F1 since it almost began...well, historically through my dad. He was at the start... the egos are bigger than the politics and even the money! It will come right...promise!
M

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22 Oct 07, 12:15 AM
Delphius1
UK(PO), 2 yrs
Y!

Prunesquallor wrote:

Delphius1 wrote:
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Instead, I can imagine a scenario where a compromise is negotiated to allow the McLaren drivers to continue racing essentially for the drivers title, but arrange things so that they are just pipped at the post. Thereby preserving the show and keeping everyone happy.

Blimey, I thought I was cynical. Honestly, I can't see that happening, there are so many variables in F1. Even in that last race, it was still possible for either Alonso or Hamilton to win.

Cynical? No. Just a realist. I know how much money running the "show" generates and how much there is to lose if people don't turn up to circuits. Thats where the priority lies. Bernie Ecclestone likes to put on a good show and the bigger the audience the more F1 makes. Thats why they're introducing night races, so that the audiences back in Europe can watch at a decent time, rather than the races being run when (god forbid) people can't watch them.
F1 is run to such a fine tolerance that during qualifying in Hungary, Alonso knew exactly how long he had to delay Hamilton in the pits by to stop him getting round the track and starting his last hot qualifying lap.
Are you really telling me that if they can run things to that sort of degree, they didn't know that Hamiltons tyres were shot in China? His lap times had dropped off so dreadfully that it was obvious to everyone apart from those on the McLaren pit wall aparrently.

Edited 22 Oct 07, 12:18 AM by Delphius1

22 Oct 07, 11:27 AM
Prunesquallor
UK, 3 yrs
mazzie_RB wrote:
Don't lose hope or interest please kind man! I've been involved in F1 since it almost began...well, historically through my dad. He was at the start... the egos are bigger than the politics and even the money! It will come right...promise!

Oh no, I won't lose interest. Was just momentarily discouraged by seeing Hamilton's chance of a unique win disappear through his own mistake and his gearbox problems.
Yes, I have always felt that the egos, or at least, the incredible competitiveness of the drivers and teams, would ensure that 'fixing' could not possibly occur.
My actual experience of F1 has been limited to attending a couple of practice sessions at Silverstone. There is nothing quite like the sensation of standing at the side of Hanger Straight, mere feet away from the cars passing you at 180mph, and the weird tickling sensation you get in the centre of your skull when the decibel level goes into the pain region.
Fortunately the steward's enquiry reached the right decision last night. Had the championship been taken away from Raikkonen and given to Hamilton, due to the actions of other teams, it would have been a real disaster for the reputation of F1.
Oh well, we have a potential champion, and next year's season in front of us. Could be worse.

22 Oct 07, 1:21 PM
Prunesquallor
UK, 3 yrs
Delphius1 wrote:
Cynical? No. Just a realist.
That's what they all say.

Delphius1 wrote:
F1 is run to such a fine tolerance that during qualifying in Hungary, Alonso knew exactly how long he had to delay Hamilton in the pits by to stop him getting round the track and starting his last hot qualifying lap.
Are you really telling me that if they can run things to that sort of degree, they didn't know that Hamiltons tyres were shot in China? His lap times had dropped off so dreadfully that it was obvious to everyone apart from those on the McLaren pit wall aparrently.

Yes, I understand that - it was a dreadful decision in hindsight. But at the time, had Hamilton made it into the pits perhaps it might not have been seen in that light.
I must admit though, I couldn't believe it when he didn't enter the pit lane on the previous lap.

Edited 22 Oct 07, 1:22 PM by Prunesquallor

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