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7 Oct 07, 10:45 PM
IndelibleMarker
UK(E), 6 yrs

mtii2007 wrote:
I already said. The people that make the decisions are already "educated".

You said that they "don't give a shit"

mtii2007 wrote:
And you're not talking about education, you're talking about making people feel guilt or shame for saying anything kink-negative. (But only the kink-negative things you would disagree with.)

I'm not talking about making anyone feel guilt or shame, I'm encouraging them to question their own perceptions of things they assume are abhorrent because it seems like the sensible and politically correct option at a quick glance. I'm finding a way to encourage them to listen and learn.

mtii2007 wrote:
I'll repeat, your interpretation of the gay leaflet at the fresher fair is subjective and coloured by your experiences, and as such, probably wrong.

You would not be allowed to hand out a BDSM educational leaflet at Imperial to freshers. The homosexual leaflet was allowed, and almost certainly because to not allow it would be considered homophobic and would cause an uproar.

Tuam matrem feci,
Patrick
IndelibleMarker

7 Oct 07, 10:48 PM
xjames
UK(SS), 5 yrs

When it comes to one on one conversations with people, I find that calling someone "narrowminded" helps them to rethink their prejudices.

As for Fetiphobe, Fetaphobe, Kinkaphobe, etc I like the idea, but none of the words so far do it for me.

One of the other things which the gay community did was to adopt the word "gay" - which had previously been a term of abuse. There is talk of the black community reclaiming "nigger" as a positive word too. Perhaps we need to reclaim our word of abuse "pervs" (sadly it's linked with paedophilia in the public's mind) but perhaps others have alternative suggestions.

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7 Oct 07, 10:48 PM
z12345
4 yrs

I said "most people don't give a shit" and "most politicians making these decisions are kinkier than you"

Most people don't take the decisions and they don't need to be hectored into caring about us.

7 Oct 07, 10:49 PM
z12345
4 yrs

Harry Lon is right!

7 Oct 07, 10:56 PM
IndelibleMarker
UK(E), 6 yrs

mtii2007 wrote:
I said "most people don't give a shit" and "most politicians making these decisions are kinkier than you"

You said:

mtii2007 wrote:
I am saying they know exactly what it is and don't give a shit.

mtii2007 wrote:
Most people don't take the decisions and they don't need to be hectored into caring about us.

I'm not talking about most people, I'm talking about those who have the greatest impact on society (from OP):

IndelibleMarker wrote:
If, as a scene we develop a word used to call celebrities and politicians "kinkphobics" (but something with a better ring to it, like hedophobic or fetiphobic), then they will be far more likely to respond in our favour upon hearing the use of the phrase "phobic", and begin to fight alongside us rather than against us to help change public perception.

I'm more than happy to leave most people to their everyday lives, after all, no matter what we do, we'll never make everyone accept us.

Tuam matrem feci,
Patrick
IndelibleMarker

Edited 7 Oct 07, 10:57 PM by IndelibleMarker

7 Oct 07, 10:59 PM
Eustacia_Vye
SV, 4 yrs

Yes, however, if the general public don't have a problem with 'violent pornography' then the politicians will change the laws. Thats how it needs to be done, we cannot get to the politicians directly, so I think the OP had the right idea when he said 'make people question their thoughts'. It is through the general public that the politicians will change.

E.V

7 Oct 07, 11:12 PM
frogman
UK(SE), 4 yrs

Are you seriously trying to say homophobia didn't exist before the 60's because someone hadn't invented the word?

That's like saying the sky wasn't blue before... blah blah blah... yada, yada, yada. That's kinda insulting to the intelligence. And more than just a little bit crass.

The point you seem to be trying to make is that people who partake in a particular lifestyle are missunderstood and therefore feared, and because of their 'abhorent' behaviour, persecuted.

I do not believe that the BDSM community can be seriously compared to the gay community. Yes there may be a little stigma here and there but in no way, at all, can you say that practitioners of most things BDSM are as badly (even remotely) persecuted.

BDSM is an umberella title for a vast collection of subgroups (including people who are - whisper in hushed tones - 'gay', straight, as well as black, white, transvestite, female cross dressers etc. etc... I could go on) in short it is a very broad church where some fairly liberal, open-minded people are grouped together because of a fairly loose set of sexual practices.

I would add that a fair amount of these practices are fairly acceptable in 'vanilla' circles. Both as an (often humorous) topic of discussion and as sexual fantasy (often realised - light bondage, spanking, role-playing etc). I understand the need to be careful about what you reveal, and to who... but then that's sex. You just don't tell everybody everything you do, it's unnecessary and guaranteed a bad reaction.

As is all this 'fight-the-good-fight' rhetoric.

Edited 7 Oct 07, 11:25 PM by frogman