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| 7 Oct 07, 6:41 PM The_Big_Bear UK(DL), 4 yrs   |
What wise words! - Carpe diem, carpe nox noctis! | |||
| 7 Oct 07, 6:46 PM Jahc99 UK, 5 yrs |
I agree, but I still think there is much merit in the OP, and subsequent comments. why poison your liver when I could eat it for you? | |||
| 7 Oct 07, 7:04 PM IndelibleMarker UK(E), 6 yrs   |
So do I, the problem is that the powers that be don't think privacy is a good thing and if you get into a legal battle your private BDSM activities can be used against you.
Words like fetiphobia or homophobia don't actually vilify people, in an odd psychological way they encourage them to ally themselves to us. I'm not proposing this as a morally upstanding debate tactic, I'm proposing it as a form of positive manipulation which will make politicians fight for us, rather than worry that they will be seen as "another debaucherous politician" and desperately try to ignore us and push us under the carpet. Politicians clamber over each other to be percieved by society as understanding and supportive of minority groups, be them colour, nationality or sexual preferance. There is not a politician around who will publically agree that they are a "fetiphobe" and they will almost all try and prove that in fact they aren't. Many of those will prove that they aren't by helping foster understanding and will be more open to listen to our pressure groups like Backlash. Tuam matrem feci, | |||
| 7 Oct 07, 7:12 PM z12345 4 yrs |
No, what will happen is politicians will say
"I'm not -----aphobic BUT I don't think people can consent to (.....)" or
"I have no problem with mainstream S&M BUT (.....) is abuse"
Just like their whitepaper on violent porn did. The last page was all "We're not talking about "good" S&M, we're talking about "bad" S&M" which whilst ridiculous is unstoppable by inventing a word and putting it on wiki. In fact, the same approach is used here eg "I have no problem with kink BUT coprophilia/needle play/TPE/whatever is just sick, sad and wrong" Inventing this term will backfire. (And I'm not at risk legally. I'm submissive and therefore "the victim" I know that's a "I'm alright, Jack" sort of answer. The laws DO need changing somehow. The way through isn't lumping people together.) | |||
| 7 Oct 07, 7:18 PM Jahc99 UK, 5 yrs |
But isn't the purpose to single them out, make them account for their own attitudes? (edited coz I am typing like a trout!) why poison your liver when I could eat it for you? Edited 7 Oct 07, 7:20 PM by Jahc99 | |||
| 7 Oct 07, 7:26 PM z12345 4 yrs |
But that's not what's being suggested.
The suggestion that people who are wary of, dislike, fear, don't know much about, work against, think it's stupid... about kink should be called something-a-phobic.
Just like people who are wary of, dislike, fear, don't know much about, work against, think it's stupid about homosexuality are called homophobic. It's not the same. I mean, taking JUST sexual practices, the problem homophobes have with gays is the fact that a man puts a penis in another man. Get rid of that attitude and TADA! everyone can move on. Kinky people have soooooo many sexual practices, it'd be impossible to fight in the same way. Kinky people themselves can be xxxxaphobic about certain kinks. Y'all are lumping kink-neg and kink-neutral people together. The way forward involves films and books and stories and non-titilating documentaries. It doesn't involve entries on wiki telling people off for not being as liberal as you or I.
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| 7 Oct 07, 8:10 PM MasterOfMe UK(WD), 6 yrs |
mtii raises some good points, and I agree it is something to be careful of. Something low-key is definitely called for here - my personal feelings are still teetering towards supporting the original proposal but I'm open to changing my mind  On a related note I know what is meant about kink being seen as 'silly', but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. After all 'silly' is also 'harmless'. Having said that a good case has been made and Fetiphobia could be the way to go. | |||
| 7 Oct 07, 8:15 PM z12345 4 yrs |
See, I have no problem with the words "kinky" "deviant" "perverted" but I have huge problems with "Dom" "sub" "slave" "slut" when used in place of "girlfriend" or "boyfriend"
I expect everyone's mileage differs on the words they like and don't like. You have to be VERY careful that I'm not labelled as bdsmphobic because I get cross when someone calls their ex "my previous Dom" or someone else is because they prefer the word "kinky" over "kink". I think the church is too broad to have any one single -aphobia. |
